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    Does Utah even care that much about the players? If I were Utah I'd focus on this lineup, race for the bottom and try to get their superstar next year:

    Collier
    George
    Cody Williams
    Hendricks
    Kessler

    All 1st, 2nd, and 3rd year players... sell the fanbase on the exciting youth. TBH, that's way more of an exciting tank lineup than what we trotted out to get Wemby.

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    Does Utah even care that much about the players? If I were Utah I'd focus on this lineup, race for the bottom and try to get their superstar next year:

    Collier
    George
    Cody Williams
    Hendricks
    Kessler

    All 1st, 2nd, and 3rd year players... sell the fanbase on the exciting youth. TBH, that's way more of an exciting tank lineup than what we trotted out to get Wemby.
    I guess they would care in the case of a Topic, where essentially is just another first round pick.

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    My gut is telling me it’s between Spurs and Okc. Who’s got the balls to step up and pay Ainge’s fee?

    In terms of players can we beat:

    Topic (perfect pg for Utah)
    Wallace (3&D guard)
    Dieng (GLeague Finals MVP / Tidjane Clone)

    ???

    is Keldon, Wesley, Branham comparable? I would hate to give up Sochan!

    You have to give up some value back, I'd rather Sochan than Vassell or Castle

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    Does Utah even care that much about the players? If I were Utah I'd focus on this lineup, race for the bottom and try to get their superstar next year:

    Collier
    George
    Cody Williams
    Hendricks
    Kessler

    All 1st, 2nd, and 3rd year players... sell the fanbase on the exciting youth. TBH, that's way more of an exciting tank lineup than what we trotted out to get Wemby.
    That team would lose every game they played.

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    KAT is cultural poison. I don't want Wemby catching the gay voice
    For real. KAT just annoys the out of me. I don’t ever want that guy near the Spurs.

    Way too zesty and feminine. It would rub off on the rest of the players. Soon he’ll be painting his in nails and dancing like a moron on TikTok like Jared McCain.

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    Careful, you're going to get a bunch of knee-jerk braindead takes like "no thanks, KAT is a career loser".
    KAT is a better treadmill centerpiece than Lauri. Made the POs once in his first 6 years, then the past 3 years when Ant came and took the reigns.
    He's a great regular season stat stuffer. He does everything pretty well, including D (until he doesn't), he's huge, he can dibble/pass/shoot, he's got every tool and stat to get multiple max deals.

    The problem is, he makes unbelievable mistakes, over and over. Terrible fouls, will take/keep taking bad shots, be way out of position/miss rotations, he doesn't learn and he often hurts in team in the biggest moments, especially when frustrated. Unforgivable things for a 9 year, 4x AS, 2x All-NBA vet.
    KAT will look like he put it together, then will pick up 2-3 awful fouls in 60 seconds, or brick 7 threes in a row and lose you a game. He does that repeatedly and does in it big moments. But his stat line that night may be 24-14-9

    To me, he is a negative asset for a winning Team because he costs 30% of the cap. He will help you get there and his mistakes mean way less during the reg season, but then he'll kill your season when it matters most.

    As an owner who's not concerned with winning a championship, I'd give up lots of assets, as he'll make All-Star teams and sell jerseys and get butts in the seat.

    As someone who wants to win, I'd have no interest in paying him 30% of the cap to -in-the-punch-bowl at the worst possible time (again). I wouldn't give up any assets on a max deal. Rather have a role player. KAT is the perfect WTF player cause if he could just not be an idiot-in game at the worst time- he does everything.

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    KAT 💅 and Lauri have some similarities in their game but they’re very different also.

    KAT 💅 is more of a C masquerading as a PF. He’s too slow footed and bersome to really guard 4’s. I mean it looks like it hurts when he runs and tries to slide his feet on the perimeter.

    Lauri is a true 4 who can also play the 3 a little. He’s much more fleet footed and glides around the court easily. He’s also a much better cutter and off ball player.

    A 4/3 like Lauri is a much better fit next to Wemby than a 5/4 like KAT 💅.

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    That team would lose every game they played.
    That's kind of the point, boy genius

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    The Knicks and Bucks pick are the FRP the Nets got. That means all 6 of those picks are from 50+ win teams.

    The Spurs have 3 Atlanta picks that have a great shot to be a bottom quarter team for all 3 years after they traded away an all star. That means top 10 and a shot at the first overall. The 2025 Atlanta pick alone is worth about 6 late first round picks or near that.

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    The Knicks and Bucks pick are the FRP the Nets got. That means all 6 of those picks are from 50+ win teams.

    The Spurs have 3 Atlanta picks that have a great shot to be a bottom quarter team for all 3 years after they traded away an all star. That means top 10 and a shot at the first overall. The 2025 Atlanta pick alone is worth about 6 late first round picks or near that.
    Really, that rhetoric about x number of picks is tiring, but people are so hung up on it that maybe Spurs should sell OKC one of their high upside picks for 5 crappy ones to inflate a trade package.

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    Sounds like Lauri is getting dealt and presumably any team that gets him will have a verbal agreement in place for a deal next summer. Either the Spurs get him now or probably never.

    First Trae Young wasn't worth it and now Lauri isn't worth it. By this years trade deadline another young star will be probably be available and they wont be worth it either.

    The Spurs aren't getting Luka/Giannis and those leftover fantasies are a big reason why people are so stingy about other star players.
    Sounds like Lauri is getting dealt and presumably any team that gets him will have a verbal agreement in place for a deal next summer. Either the Spurs get him now or probably never.

    First Trae Young wasn't worth it and now Lauri isn't worth it. By this years trade deadline another young star will be probably be available and they wont be worth it either.

    The Spurs aren't getting Luka/Giannis and those leftover fantasies are a big reason why people are so stingy about other star players.
    Spurs just need to indicate to his agent that they plan to sign him next summer and then he won't sign any extension and by not signing extension he push Utah to trade him to Spurs at lower price

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    Most I would do, assuming Lauri commits to an extension:

    Keldon + CHI Pick + MIN 31 + MIN 30 Swap + DAL Swap + 2027 Spurs top 10 protected

    Something like that.
    Way too much with no need, as you can wait to next summer to sign him straight up

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    Markkanen really is closer to Dejounte in terms of what he should get in trade. People treating him like he's Kevin Durant.

    Not to mention the huge contract he'll be getting wilt Murray's contract is incredible.

    Two FRPs. A Keldon. That's about it and probably overpay given the bad contract he turns into next year.

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    Most I would do, assuming Lauri commits to an extension:

    Keldon + CHI Pick + MIN 31 + MIN 30 Swap + DAL Swap + 2027 Spurs top 10 protected

    Something like that.
    Then you wouldn't get him.. Sorry, but Ainge is rolling his eyes at that offer, and you would too if you were him. Utah gotta eat too and that trade is irrealistically loopsided for SA. It barely hurt for the spurs, meaning there's a problem. CHI + A couple of very far swaps and picks and a top 10 2027 protected FRP (probably in the 20s) are a weak package. Doesn't really help the Jazz to rebuild. And Keldon doesn't change much to that trade.

    You won't get Lauri unless it does really hurt you, and not just a bit. We should see big offers for him in the next days and week
    Last edited by JPB; 07-02-2024 at 06:35 AM.

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    Or we could just be patsies in a 3 team deal that send Lauri to OKC:

    https://syndication.bleacherreport.c...gency.amp.html
    . that. We take salary that needs to be absorbed for the deal to work, AND we send out picks? We should be receiving picks for that.

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    Well I hope we hear something tomorrow. For me the thought of Castle for his D sounds good to me.
    Zesty. Just like KAT.

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    Does Utah even care that much about the players? If I were Utah I'd focus on this lineup, race for the bottom and try to get their superstar next year:

    Collier
    George
    Cody Williams
    Hendricks
    Kessler

    All 1st, 2nd, and 3rd year players... sell the fanbase on the exciting youth. TBH, that's way more of an exciting tank lineup than what we trotted out to get Wemby.
    Imagine the contributions that Zollins and Branham could make to that squad.......

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    . that. We take salary that needs to be absorbed for the deal to work, AND we send out picks? We should be receiving picks for that.
    I perceived that was cooked up by an OKC fan and the same trash was circulating this AM on my MSN feed. Also today, LM to Spurs is noted as a championship contending move:

    Spurs Tracking Lauri Markkanen (msn.com)

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    Imagine the contributions that Zollins and Branham could make to that squad.......
    You forgot to mention Wesley and Graham. Actually seems like Zollins is going to become more and more valuable as an expiring.

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    i wouldn't even give one first round pick lol

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    They can't use all those picks. They have value only if you don't waste them.

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    They can't use all those picks. They have value only if you don't waste them.
    Agreed, we got too many picks. We just found that out last draft when we traded Dilly on draft night and agitated the entire fan base.

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    That's kind of the point, boy genius
    Yeah, I know. I meant EVERY game they played. I'm trying to think of the lowest level they could play in and might actually win.

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    Agreed, we got too many picks. We just found that out last draft when we traded Dilly on draft night and agitated the entire fan base.
    True, but there is some justification for the fans being annoyed. The Spurs traded away one of the highest draft picks in the history of the franchise, ostensibly because they didn't have room on the roster, then followed that up by drafting two guys in the second round.

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