The troll is you, warriors don't even willing to offer Kuminga for Paul George, and even if they trade for Lauri i don't see him sign an extension there knowing Spurs want to wait for next summer to sign him...
Markannen is a good fit with Spurs when you include Castle as a core piece
Not even saying spurs should make that big of an offer for Lauri or discussing the fit, but I remember last year when Lillard asked out and litterally said he wanted to go to Miami, the consensus was POR had no leverage and had to jump on Miami's offer becausee time was against them. They waited... then got a much better offer (non one had heard about) from MIL where 32 old Dame was traded.
Utah isn't in panic mode now with Lauri, still a lot of time and offers only come from non contenders now. Wait a little and the interest from contenders or borderline ones will come in the summer until up the deadline. And you can bet there will be at leat one team ready to make much better offers than what Utah is getting now.
More generally, fans can't expect to land good/great players while keeping their best assets. I'd also like to add talent while keeping all our best picks and players but those best assets IS what other teams would want, packaging far, mediocre picks and bench players won't do it...
I think most of get this very basic point. Others of us question whether Lauri is even the right fit for SAS at all, and in turn don’t see the wisdom of cashing in valuable assets in for him at all (or, at best, right at this moment).
Markkanen is a 27 Years old all star, who's last two seasons were his best seasons of his career. he was close to the magical 50/40/90% shooting, that takes him in Dirk territory. (Note: I don't call him the second coming of Dirk)
you can make a point, that this is the level of play, he will be able to provide for another 5-7 seasons.
such a player comes at a high price, no matter if his contract is going to expire.
(they wouldn't trade for him, if they didn't for sure know he will take an extension, would they?)
if he is a fit, who knows. but you can assume, that the combination of a Dirk like big man with Wemby will create something, the league has not yet seen.
so why call this already a bad fit, when there isn't a historical reference.
there isn't a historical reference to Wemby anyway, so any line up will be kind of unique and we won't be able to tell about the fit in advance.
but one thing we can tell for sure: any kind of above average shooting will help to maximize Wemby's impact.
so yes. I would try to get Markkanen and I would be willing to sacrifice a lot, even if it will be called an overpay. (some here will even call a package of Sochan plus one protected FRP an overpay)
a line up of CP3, Castle, Vassell, Markkanen and Wemby is something I definitely would love to see play to find out if this fits.
Markannen is in the rare air of Curry and Klay in off screen shotmaking and volume. The main target based on playstyle is Book a true elite on/off guard, but HOU just led the pack with the PHX picks.
Except, consciously or not, most trades ideas don't reflect that, and are most of times loopsised in favor of the spurs. It's mostly "I give you average/bad players and meh picks, you give me your good/great player... that's the reason why you never see those kind of trades materializing.
For the second part, as you can see in my previous post before the one you quoted, I agree with you and my point wasn't so much if we should make a big offer for Lauri than what it would actually take to get a player like Lauri. We shouldn't expect to get even elite role players without losing valuable assets. They don't fall from trees, there's lot of concurrence and the value of FRPs has decreased nowadays... We can be picky as fans but at some point, always "saying nah too expensive", "nah I don't like him", 'nah this or that".... "I'm waiting for the right guy at the right time, at the right price"... there's nothing left on the table.
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I also don't believe one bit in the concept that star guards are gonna fight to come and play with Wemby... Maybe when the team will actually be compe ive and close to contend, but not now...
then only watching this FA market already, Mitc , D-White, Booker, Maxey have or will extend (like most players do), Dejounte has been traded, PG13 signed with the sixers, Batum is back in LA, Hield is off the market and Luka or Giannis are not signing here anytime soon... Plus, not saying I'd want them, but mot fans don't want Trae or Garland either...
So, yeah. gotta hope Castle turns into some kind of superstar himself or they strike gold in next year's draft, which in both cases could still take years... Will Wemby be OK with that or will have the spurs to accept to overpay to add proven talent now?
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That worked out great for Timmy. Yay Rasho Nesterovic!
No one can extend Mark until late next month. There's a good chance there isn't real movement until then. If my spitballing is correct, the Jazz can do an renegotiate-and-extend-and-trade on that date. Being able to trade Mark as a long-term contract is in their best interest, being able to acquire Mark with the assurance of a three-year deal is in the new team's best interest, and being able to use his agreement to an extension as a way to control his situation is in Mark's best interest. If he gets traded now, there's a good chance it would be to a team that doesn't want to secure his long-term services. I can't imagine such a team offering enough to get the Jazz to pull the trigger before Mark becomes extendable.
I know this will get the usual suspects ting themselves in rage, but not only is Markkanen nowhere close to Dirk as a compe or and player, and the suggestion is practically insulting, he's much closer to Andrea Bargnani, especially his higher usage years like when he was 25 at Toronto and he was given the keys.
You see it plenty. You see teams hold guys too long and they lose value. You see trades where the return in surprisingly “low”. Just as much as you see wild desperate trades. Theres a lot of factors but the point is Spurs are not desperate and should have a price they are willing to pay and if UTA takes it? Great. Spurs should not care about what UTA thinks the market is and either Lauri wants to get to SA or he doesnt and if he does then UTA may not get as big of a return as many think.
They absolutely still can as you said and the market for him may work out that way; but its not a given IMO due to his contract situation
Renegotiaton triggers 6 month trade ban. Traded player has 6 month renegotiaton ban.
That really is the crux of the situation. Lauri is a first rate player and will cost at least one first rate asset and I am not talking about the Bulls pick. Lauri will cost one of the ATL picks plus two more unprotected picks.
They don’t even have to offer the whole 1-20 range. They could cut it up, Wiz have 21-30, Utah gets 11-20, GE keeps 1-10.
I originally thought that, but I didn't see anything in the CBA FAQ that inidcated that. The closest I saw said a renegotiation ban was triggered if a kicker was waived in conjunction with a trade. Otherwise, there's an extend-and-trade restriction, which is why a two-year deal is the max.
Houston has a ton of forwards already, and Markennan kind of duplicates Smith Jr’s skill set. Houston is saving those picks to get either KD or Book FROM Phoenix.
Utah will want Vassell on top of the picks. What’s the point of the trade in that case? They’ll just be replacing one gaping hole with another one. Spurs will still be better, but will have little chance to get roster improvements in the future.
Realistic trade is either two great picks and two more average ones or Devin and two average picks.
Those Hawks picks look juicy, but how many players better than Markkanen are drafted every year?
Let's not forget that '25 pick lost some value with so many East teams tanking and Trae still being there.
Hypothetically, Markkanen is better than Dejounte, but since Hawks overpaid for Dejounte giving up those picks for Markkanen would seem like a fair trade.
I said many times that 7 FRPs Spurs made before Wemby wouldn't be able to get us Markkanen, that's how hard it is to draft all-stars, unless they're generational talent.
If we look at the previous drafts, how many players picked outside of top3 could become all-stars?
Excluding top3 because Hawks won't tank without owning their picks even if Trae leaves and there will be plenty of tanking teams.
And we'll obviously get better.
Vassell would be a deal killer for me.
would rather see if B Lopez can be got instead of committing to Lauri. Short contract vets to mentor the investments
Thanks for the info. I'm not sure if that's correct, though. It's weird how basically no one else seems to be reporting that except hoops rumors and the NYT. There could be a bit of a misconception when it comes to how renegotiations and extend-and-trade transactions work, though. Like under the old CBA if the Jazz gave Lauri a renegotiation and four-year extension, he cannot be traded. But it's the extension itself being over two years (and perhaps the raises being over five percent) that makes the contract untradeable. The renegotiation would have nothing to do with it. Same would be true if they renegotiated and signed him to a new deal that jumped 20 percent between the renegotiated year and the new extension. The jump is what would trigger the ban, not the renegotiation itself.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but this seems like an odd loophole to specifically close, especially given the push to have teams spend all of their cap space. You'd think this would show up in more places, but when I'm googling it, this thread comes up on the top page because there are so few other sources talking about it.
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