There is Markannen to Spurs Buzz

[Chinook]

Article is behind a paywall, but it sounds like Stein checked with the league office and confirmed 8/6 is the beginning date of when Lauri can sign his extension.

Chinook

I appreciate you posting this. I had actually seen that earlier, and I'm not sure that's what he's saying. We don't know if the league office confirmed the 08/06 date or if Stein is assuming that while the office confirmed the six-month ban and when the trade deadline is. I assume, though, that if it were patently false, someone would've tweeted out a correction, since Mark is dominating the news cycle. So I'm just shrugging my shoulders at this point. It would be nice for someone to just ask for an explanation, though.

I really feel like a lot of people just assume Mark extended on 08/06 like basically everyone else did. Normally, that gets hammered out during the moratorium, on the first day of the off-season, everything gets signed immediately. They might just not know Mark didn't sign until three-weeks later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ns#Free_agents

[vy65]

It would be highly dumb to deal with Utah until that 08/06 date, unless you are truly desperate (Warriors with Steph) or the price comes way down (tbd).

Call Ainge’s bluff.

Why do you say that?

[Pauleta14]

We're using American methodology on these dates. Graham's date is 7/8 (July 8), Lauri's is 8/6 (Aug 6)

My bad on the form

What about the question? ^^

Could the eighth of July be a deadline from the Spurs? Maybe they think it's only worth it if Graham's contract is included (and don't want to trade any other for now)?

[Chinook]

My bad on the form

What about the question? ^^

Could the eighth of July be a deadline from the Spurs? Maybe they think it's only worth it if Graham's contract is included (and don't want to trade any other for now)?

Since Graham is due only $2.8 Million, it would be pretty shocking for that to break up a trade. They could probably fit Markkanen into cap space if they wanted so finding matching salary shouldn't stop them. That doesn't mean they don't have other plans for the contract that they'll enact if there's no movement though.

[Pauleta14]

Since Graham is due only $2.8 Million, it would be pretty shocking for that to break up a trade. They could probably fit Markkanen into cap space if they wanted so finding matching salary shouldn't stop them. That doesn't mean they don't have other plans for the contract that they'll enact if there's no movement though.

Can't the Spurs guaranty him to use the 12.5M instead for the trade?

[scott]

Can't the Spurs guaranty him to use the 12.5M instead for the trade?

Yes of course they can. But then some other team has to pay Graham $12.5MM.

[CGD]

You lose the ability to include Graham as cheap salary cap fodder after July 7th.

I kinda think Ainge wants some real players back. Otherwise the GSW deal would’ve gotten done by now, no?

[scott]

Certainly there is a deal where Ainge would take Graham over Keldon or Sochan (or any other player), it just impacts the compensation. You can send Graham and Collins - but it will cost you more picks.

[baseline bum]

I kinda think Ainge wants some real players back. Otherwise the GSW deal would’ve gotten done by now, no?

We're screwed if that's the case then

[CGD]

Certainly there is a deal where Ainge would take Graham over Keldon or Sochan (or any other player), it just impacts the compensation. You can send Graham and Collins - but it will cost you more picks.

I suspect the GWS offer is Wiggins + 3FRP + 2SWAPS. No real players coming back.

[Chinook]

Can't the Spurs guaranty him to use the 12.5M instead for the trade?

They could, and it would probably be preferable for them to do so. The Spurs have yet to drop below the cap this year, and with the ability to use the MLE to sign Paul, they might elect to stay over. That would let them use Osman's Bird right and Barlow's EB rights and have access to the LLE. But there is a pathway to pure space by dumping Graham's deal into someone else's cap space, renouncing Mamu and waving Bassey or Champangie (or waiving both and keeping Mamu). That would give them the pure space they need to take him. When talking about a guy of Mark's caliber, either avenue should be open. That's even more true because the Spurs could just re-sign any of the players they waive or just find replacements in the worst case using the room exception.

So yeah, they might WANT to use Graham over going through the mess for space or using any of the other players. But it would be weird for them to back out of the trade altogether because of it, because the cost difference is some fringe players and a couple of second-round picks. I'd question their priorities.

[CGD]

We're screwed if that's the case then

thinking Keldon/Sochan over Graham

[Chinook]

I suspect the GWS offer is Wiggins + 3FRP + 2SWAPS. No real players coming back.

I wouldn't underrate that package given that it would be GS26, GS28 and reverse-protected GS30. Not only are three unprotected picks valuable, but those picks are in even years where Utah doesn't have an excess of selections already.

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The real question is where does Markannen want to go. If he says he's not signing an extension with team X, they're out...

[CGD]

I wouldn't underrate that package given that it would be GS26, GS28 and reverse-protected GS30. Not only are three unprotected picks valuable, but those picks are in even years where Utah doesn't have an excess of selections already.

I agree that it is valuable. It could just be a negotiation tactic by Utah to get more offers, but if that’s the offer from a (supposedly desperate) GSW team then i wonder why Utah has jumped on it yet.

[scott]

I agree that it is valuable. It could just be a negotiation tactic by Utah to get more offers, but if that’s the offer from a (supposedly desperate) GSW team then i wonder why Utah has jumped on it yet.

I think Ainge probably views the scenario as he has until 8/6 to milk as much as possible from these suitors. He might overplay his hand and have folks move on because they don't want to around with his nonsense any more.

[Pauleta14]

They could, and it would probably be preferable for them to do so. The Spurs have yet to drop below the cap this year, and with the ability to use the MLE to sign Paul, they might elect to stay over. That would let them use Osman's Bird right and Barlow's EB rights and have access to the LLE. But there is a pathway to pure space by dumping Graham's deal into someone else's cap space, renouncing Mamu and waving Bassey or Champangie (or waiving both and keeping Mamu). That would give them the pure space they need to take him. When talking about a guy of Mark's caliber, either avenue should be open. That's even more true because the Spurs could just re-sign any of the players they waive or just find replacements in the worst case using the room exception.

So yeah, they might WANT to use Graham over going through the mess for space or using any of the other players. But it would be weird for them to back out of the trade altogether because of it, because the cost difference is some fringe players and a couple of second-round picks. I'd question their priorities.

I get it. Thx for the explanations

[scott]

Lauri will be a Warrior. It's just a matter of how much Ainge milks them for.

From a league entertainment standpoint, I hope it's for a lot.

From a Spurs perspective, I hope it's not overly egregious. I can foresee scenarios where the Jazz join OKC as our lead compe or in Wemby's prime.

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The question is, did Stein confirm that date with the league office, or did he confirm the trade deadline and people are just assuming he confirmed the anniversary? There's a legit chance that the buzz Stein's post is going to cost will persuade someone who can provide actual clarity to do so. If I were one of those folks who tweeted at people, I would want to ask Stein or Marks or even Smith if that anniversary was actually confirmed. Right now, there are a lot of people reporting this based on what Stein posted, so it's clear it hasn't been public knowledge. It also wouldn't make sense why there'd be so much trade chatter involving Mark right now if the Jazz were going to sign him on 08/06. Besides the whole tanking thing, it's in their best interest to wait, and if Stein is to be believed, it'd be in the other teams' best interest too. So is Mark not game, and that's why this is coming up? Are the Jazz so scared of winning too many games that they're trying to force something while Marks near the pit of his value? Does Ainge think the extra cap space can be used more efficiently?

Ugh.

It kind of sounds like when you say people, you mean front offices/GMs?

Surely they're aware of any rules/stipulations. I'm sure he meant that for the general public.

[DPG21920]

Lauri will be a Warrior. It's just a matter of how much Ainge milks them for.

From a league entertainment standpoint, I hope it's for a lot.

From a Spurs perspective, I hope it's not overly egregious. I can foresee scenarios where the Jazz join OKC as our lead compe or in Wemby's prime.

Ya I honestly hope UTA keeps him and tries to extend and build around him

[Mr. Body]

Lauri will be a Warrior. It's just a matter of how much Ainge milks them for.

From a league entertainment standpoint, I hope it's for a lot.

From a Spurs perspective, I hope it's not overly egregious. I can foresee scenarios where the Jazz join OKC as our lead compe or in Wemby's prime.

Agree that he's a Warrior. They badly need him. My guess is either --

1. Ainge is trying to shake Kuminga free
2. There are other machinations to get pieces moved around

I think Sacramento has moved on to DDR and maybe also Kuzma. As for SAS, I think they're nibbling around but aren't going in hard for anyone at this time. I'd be surprised if there are hidden suitors.

[Mr. Body]

Ya I honestly hope UTA keeps him and tries to extend and build around him

Imagine being Utah, having a white boy who likes cold weather and a boring environment, and trying to move him.

[vy65]

Imagine being Utah, having a white boy who likes cold weather and a boring environment, and trying to move him.

I dunno, Helsinki looks pretty alright to me. Doubt there’s a Mormon equivalent.

[Chinook]

It kind of sounds like when you say people, you mean front offices/GMs?

Surely they're aware of any rules/stipulations. I'm sure he meant that for the general public.

I'm talking about the people retweeting this as confirmation. Like what we're waiting for is to know what Mark's anniversary is. The rest of that stuff, we can just google. We don't know if Stein asked them about that or instead just asked them to confirm what the rules about renegotiations and extensions were and when the trade deadline is. As I mentioned, because most players of note signed deals on 08/06, Stein could've just assumed Markkanen did too.

[Mr. Body]

I dunno, Helsinki looks pretty alright to me. Doubt there’s a Mormon equivalent.

Well, I'm interested.