The Sacramento Kings have agreed on a sign-and-trade that will land DeMar DeRozan on a three-year deal, send Harrison Barnes to the San Antonio Spurs and Chris Duarte, two second-round picks and cash to the Chicago Bulls.

[vy65]

Vy65 being vocal about such a minor move is a sign of a troll in plain sight. Nobody should fall for it

Ok buddy

[Proxy]

July is mental health awareness month. Glad we could help Depression keep winning after that feature in Kendrick’s video

Seems like you might need a visit to the therapist yourself, not that anyone on this board doesn’t

[vy65]

Wemby leaving in 2027 is an assumption. The best way to build around Wemby is to build the Spurs quickly into contending for ar least the playoffs while amassing assets to quickly get into contending for the rings soon. This move helps the first step. Barnes isn't great shakes but he has a good 3P%, is durable and willing to play to the coach's playbook. He should help the Spurs reach the play in (taken along with CP3 plus Wemby, Vassell and Sochan progression).

The best way to build the spurs quickly into contending status is by trading for a net negative 32 year old role player and a swap 8 years from now? You didn’t think this through.

[LeBowen]

CP3/Tre
Devin/Malaki
Castle/Keldon
Barnes/Jeremy
Wemby/Collins

Malaki either gets his together or starts collecting DNPs.
Jeremy could start in Castle's place.
Looks like a 35 wins team as of now.
Hopefully we can get rid of Collins.
Lauri remains a pipe dream.

[vy65]

The average NBA player has a negative BPM. You can have a negative BPM and still be above average. That's why he doesn't have a negative VORP.

Saying he's a net negative player doesn't mean he's a bad acquisition. Spurs aren't going to field very many net positive players at this stage of the development process.

Opportunity cost. If they want to tank, then tank. If they want to improve, then get something better than Harrison ing Barnes. If that opportunity isn’t there, then commit to the tank. This kinda move signals they have no clue on what they should be doing.

[objective]

Initial thoughts:

Not crazy about it. A swap isn't an extra first, it's just a swap, could be absolutely nothing

Now they have to cut everyone and possibly spend 2nds to get other teams to eat some. Losing Champagnie seems possible, and while I'm not fan of his, he is very cheap and a backup. Bassey might be able to be reclaimed on a minimum. Will they have to burn a second to get off Wesley?

Also I don't like eating next year on Barnes, jamming up the cap. Could it cost the Spurs a player with $20 million in dead money? I'd hate to see it all for just a swap

Barnes himself is just a 4 now mostly, should be a fair backup but not worth the money at all

[DPG21920]

It looks like Spurs don't have enough cap space to do both this trade and signing Paul to the reported $11M/1 year deal. Maybe they will do another trade or maybe they will structure Paul's deal differently (2 years contract with a second year partially guaranteed). Another option might be to cut Champagnie.

The swap is great and Barnes is a decent vet. What Spurs are really giving up is 2025 cap space. I haven't really look at the 2025 free agent class so I don't know how much of a "sacrifice" it is.

Not just that, but spurs IMO can likely trade Barnes or someone else if they need to using another 2nd and it still be a net win overall with getting that swap too. But ya, Im just happy to see SA spending the money at all and being opportunistic.

Very good off season IMO. CP by himself? Meh. Coupled with this? Makes a lot more sense and spurs cap situation still looks very good overal IMO

[MannyIsGod]

Opportunity cost. If they want to tank, then tank. If they want to improve, then get something better than Harrison ing Barnes. If that opportunity isn’t there, then commit to the tank. This kinda move signals they have no clue on what they should be doing.

You're reaching my dude. There's no opportunity cost for this trade that matters. That's the point.

[SpursFan86]

CP3/Tre
Devin/Malaki
Castle/Keldon
Barnes/Jeremy
Wemby/Collins

Malaki either gets his together or starts collecting DNPs.
Jeremy could start in Castle's place.
Looks like a 35 wins team as of now.
Hopefully we can get rid of Collins.
Lauri remains a pipe dream.

The spacing on that bench unit would make me throw up

[HankChinaski]

The only way they are getting Lauri is if they send out 4 or 5 unprotected firsts and Devin. I bet that is what that Ainge is demanding for Lauri. Forget that. I would think the spurs would consider 2 1sts and Devin or Sochan for Lauri.

[vy65]

The average NBA player has a negative BPM. You can have a negative BPM and still be above average. That's why he doesn't have a negative VORP.

Saying he's a net negative player doesn't mean he's a bad acquisition. Spurs aren't going to field very many net positive players at this stage of the development process.

Bro, his VORP is .1. He’s a net negative player, who’s been declining for years, and is going to be 33 this season. He’s not going to improve on a team of Wemby + flotsam.

[LeBowen]

The spacing on that bench unit would make me throw up

I expect Devin to play with them and score a lot of easy points on bench scrubs.

[Leetonidas]

I need timvps 10 thoughts after this move

[Spursfanfromafar]

The best way to build the spurs quickly into contending status is by trading for a net negative 32 year old role player and a swap 8 years from now? You didn’t think this through.

Check for your vision. I am pretty sure it's myopic. Every unprotected first round pick /swap is an asset that taken together is a chance to land a star before Wemby's rookie deal ends. And getting a solid starter for free, plus adding an asset is a net win. Barnes is better than Champagnie and helps in the near term. While the assets help in the medium term. There is no way Wright gets a negative on this trade.

Now if he can use some of the assets to get Markkanen. That would be a perfect offseason. Lifts the Spurs floor to playoff contention this season from playin contention. And just lifting to play in this season is gold.

[Mugen]

CP3/Tre
Devin/Malaki
Castle/Keldon
Barnes/Jeremy
Wemby/Collins

Malaki either gets his together or starts collecting DNPs.
Jeremy could start in Castle's place.
Looks like a 35 wins team as of now.
Hopefully we can get rid of Collins.
Lauri remains a pipe dream.

Sochan is starting my guy

[vy65]

You're reaching my dude. There's no opportunity cost for this trade that matters. That's the point.

Habibi. I wish you were right. But this signals they were never serious about Lauri. They’re going to miss the play in by 3 games, land the 12th pick in the 2025 draft, and be no better or worse for making this trade. They’re treading water.

[LeBowen]

Bro, his VORP is .1. He’s a net negative player, who’s been declining for years, and is going to be 33 this season. He’s not going to improve on a team of Wemby + flotsam.

He won't be 33 unless we make the second round.
The biggest issue with our team was that it was so ing dysfunctional and lost at times.
CP3 and Barnes fix that.

I even expect Barnes to put a lot of effort into this because it could be a good chance for him to be the veteran of this team long-term and get anoter ring.

[vy65]

Check for your vision. I am pretty sure it's myopic. Every unprotected first round pick /swap is an asset that taken together is a chance to land a star before Wemby's rookie deal ends. And getting a solid starter for free, plus adding an asset is a net win. Barnes is better than Champagnie and helps in the near term. While the assets help in the medium term. There is no way Wright gets a negative on this trade.

Now if he can use some of the assets to get Markkanen. That would be a perfect offseason. Lifts the Spurs floor to playoff contention this season from playin contention. And just lifting to play in this season is gold.

Yes yes. The messiah is coming, we just need to collect the requisite amount of swaps in the 2030s for him to realize our faith is true.

[LeBowen]

Sochan is starting my guy

Functionally it's the same as Castle, one nom-shooter on the floor.
Just don't have them play together.
And I don't want Castle playing with Collins, ffs.

[Rosewood]

Vy65 being vocal about such a minor move is a sign of a troll in plain sight. Nobody should fall for it

I think Harrison ed his wife or something

[Mugen]

Initial thoughts:

Not crazy about it. A swap isn't an extra first, it's just a swap, could be absolutely nothing

Now they have to cut everyone and possibly spend 2nds to get other teams to eat some. Losing Champagnie seems possible, and while I'm not fan of his, he is very cheap and a backup. Bassey might be able to be reclaimed on a minimum. Will they have to burn a second to get off Wesley?

Also I don't like eating next year on Barnes, jamming up the cap. Could it cost the Spurs a player with $20 million in dead money? I'd hate to see it all for just a swap

Barnes himself is just a 4 now mostly, should be a fair backup but not worth the money at all

If the Spurs aren't better than the Kings during Wemby's prime then they should just pack it up tbh

[vy65]

He won't be 33 unless we make the second round.
The biggest issue with our team was that it was so ing dysfunctional and lost at times.
CP3 and Barnes fix that.

I even expect Barnes to put a lot of effort into this because it could be a good chance for him to be the veteran of this team long-term and get anoter ring.

I really hope your right, but saying he won’t be 33 until May for a career role player doesn’t inspire confidence

[vy65]

I think Harrison ed his wife or something

Bend over and I’ll show you ing my wife

[spurraider21]

Love the move. Getting Barnes for free was already fine. We hold him for an extra offseason then dump him as an expiring vet in 1.5 years

I was expecting maybe getting a SRP. An unprotected FRP swap from sacto in 2031 is awesome.

I still have no confidence that wright can build a team but he is good at these deconstruction type trades and extracting picks. He still has no clue how to use said picks though

[Mugen]

I need timvps 10 thoughts after this move

The only guy who loves pick swaps more than BWrong is timvp tbh