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    I agree, I don't think Ainge is falling for that. He and Zanik (along with the Spurs) are one of a few front offices who not only have ac ulated capital, but it's high quality capital. My point was less than we could fool them with a low quality FRP, but more that we can likely beat any 3 FRP package because we have higher quality FRPs to offer, and we could toss in CHI just as a little added kicker (it's not a bad FRP, though I think there is more danger of it not conveying than we want to believe around here)
    Same was said about the TOR pick. I think it might not convey in 2025, but I like our chances in the next two years. Last years 7 and 8 teams wound up 9 and 10, which would convey the pick in 26 or 27. They are not tearing it down to the studs, more offloading some expensive vets, kind of like our Dejounte year, but with adding a piece like Giddey.

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    It's going to happen, even if we have to speak it into existance.

    Btw, since you were talking about a topic le yesterday, we have to come up with a White Death pun that doesn't look racist.

    (For those unaware, White Death was the deadliest sniper in history and he was Finnish, fitting for a sniper like Markkanen.)

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    My guess is the Jazz are open to moving Kessler because they're trying to tank and don't want anyone with sub foundational potential capable of having high enough impact to stand in the way of that.

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    Kessler is an elite rim-protecting backup big. The kind of player you hope to pick up with a late FRP... no need to trade him for a late FRP in the hopes of landing a guy who might end up as good as him.

    Leave it to the sniffers around here to value useful players less than the chance at drafting more Blake Wesleys.
    I mean, the jazz don’t want him. That is evident. There were rumblings about him even last season.

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    Without the ability to renegotiate, you gotta treat this as a one year rental. What if he likes Utah because he wants to be the number one option? If he doesn't want to live in Wemby's enormous shadow. There will be other teams that can offer him a max contract next year so there are no guarantees even if he likes SA but sees a better opportunity elsewhere.

    Put a reasonable offer on the table and wait. No back and forth phone calls, no nitpicking minutiae, just a "this is what we feel comfortable with" and they either accept it or not.

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    It's going to happen, even if we have to speak it into existance.

    Btw, since you were talking about a topic le yesterday, we have to come up with a White Death pun that doesn't look racist.

    (For those unaware, White Death was the deadliest sniper in history and he was Finnish, fitting for a sniper like Markkanen.)
    The Select All Images With Finnish Snipers Meme of Lauri Markkanen

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    The Los Angeles Clippers have been searching for a third team to facilitate a trade involving former league MVP Russell Westbrook, league sources told ClutchPoints' Tomer Azarly.
    in b4 Wright snags a 2031 swap with Denver in return for facilitating this. Maybe it would involve the Nuggets sending the Spurs salary to absorb into the room exception, but I defer to the experts when it comes to cap stuff and I haven't taken a look at Denver's cap sheet yet.

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    The Spurs have been a lot more active than many give them credit for this offseason. Despite still being labeled as a rebuilding franchise, San Antonio made moves to bring in both Chris Paul and Harrison Barnes this summer, two veterans who are the definition of leaders for their organization. Paul and Barnes are two fantastic mentors for the Spurs to have as they enter the Victor Wembanyama era. Markkanen is a player the Spurs would be interested in giving a long-term contract to, sources said, and his fit next to Wembanyama as another 7-footer would be impossible to stop. Keldon Johnson has been made available in trade talks dating back to the trade deadline, sources said, yet the Spurs have kept Devin Vassell's name out of all discussions to this point.

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    Its all coming together.................

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    interesting that Utah supposedly has received an offer for 3 FRP. knowing that GSW only has 2 FRP to offer, makes it a very real possibility that offer has come from the spurs. could also be the kings, to be fair, before they pulled the plug on talks and moved forward with derozan

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    It's going to happen, even if we have to speak it into existance.

    Btw, since you were talking about a topic le yesterday, we have to come up with a White Death pun that doesn't look racist.

    (For those unaware, White Death was the deadliest sniper in history and he was Finnish, fitting for a sniper like Markkanen.)
    War related nickname maybe not the best idea in general.

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    interesting that Utah supposedly has received an offer for 3 FRP. knowing that GSW only has 2 FRP to offer, makes it a very real possibility that offer has come from the spurs. could also be the kings, to be fair, before they pulled the plug on talks and moved forward with derozan
    That CP article suggests that the Kings are still interested in Lauri even after signing Demar, which is fascinating. I would have expected them to move on.

    I still think Houston is a dark horse. Lauri makes sense as a consolidation piece, and they have plenty of young prospects and high quality picks to use.

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    I can't think of a more surefire tank strategy than trading for Keldon and playing him 30+ minutes a game tbh.

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    Keldon’s been good but has reached his ceiling and he’s nothing more than a 6th man type. Getting Lauri for him would be pretty amazing.

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    I can't think of a more surefire tank strategy than trading for Keldon and playing him 30+ minutes a game tbh.
    Have to think it’s a suggestion made by Will Hardy tbh. Keldon looks like he’s playing hard which makes tanking not so obvious for a team, making him perfect for the role. He’s also had enough experience to play over their current guys without making anyone feel butthurt

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    That CP article suggests that the Kings are still interested in Lauri even after signing Demar, which is fascinating. I would have expected them to move on.

    I still think Houston is a dark horse. Lauri makes sense as a consolidation piece, and they have plenty of young prospects and high quality picks to use.
    Kings are still said to have interest but lack the assets. they arent willing to include Keegan. it would be Huerter and picks. but they cant offer their 2025, 2026, or 2027 pick, and their 2031 pick is now swapped.

    houston will need to consolidate at some point or let some decent young players walk. Jabari + Lauri as your bigs seems interesting but no rim protection between them. and not sure moving jabari for lauri makes sense either

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    That CP article suggests that the Kings are still interested in Lauri even after signing Demar, which is fascinating. I would have expected them to move on.

    I still think Houston is a dark horse. Lauri makes sense as a consolidation piece, and they have plenty of young prospects and high quality picks to use.
    If HOU thinks they might get KD in a fire sale in the next year, they need to hold those PHO picks tightly.

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    Shocking to know 3 FRPs were the best offer for Lauri so far. I assume Spurs made that offer. So stingy! OR maybe they want to tank? Get a high pick and then get Lauri next year? Either way is Ridiculous!

    Get Lauri and we become a contender immediately. We can beat anyone. Wright, get it done please!

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    If HOU thinks they might get KD in a fire sale in the next year, they need to hold those PHO picks tightly.
    Phoenix isn't getting those picks back unless Booker is going the other way.
    KD is turning 36 before this season starts, noone is giving FRPs for a 37 year old next summer.

    As I said before, Lauri is somewhat of a specific player.
    I don't think he'd work in every enviroment and roster construction, but Wemby is just perfect for him.

    Kings, Warriors and Rockets don't have a rim protector. It would just be an awnkward fit and both their center and Lauri would look worse.
    Spurs, OKC and Heat are the best fits for Lauri. OKC isn't interested, Heat has nothing to offer.

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    Shocking to know 3 FRPs were the best offer for Lauri so far. I assume Spurs made that offer. So stingy! OR maybe they want to tank? Get a high pick and then get Lauri next year? Either way is Ridiculous!

    Get Lauri and we become a contender immediately. We can beat anyone. Wright, get it done please!
    Right now, he’s a rental. That’s why the offers are low.

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    Same was said about the TOR pick. I think it might not convey in 2025, but I like our chances in the next two years. Last years 7 and 8 teams wound up 9 and 10, which would convey the pick in 26 or 27. They are not tearing it down to the studs, more offloading some expensive vets, kind of like our Dejounte year, but with adding a piece like Giddey.
    The best thing working in our favor is the declining protections. It's relatively easy to protect against Top-10 protections with a tank, you've just got to finish 10th worst or less and you retain 79.8% chance of keeping your pick and finishing 9th worst gives you a 96.9% chance of keeping the pick.

    Top 8 becomes a trickier proposition though. Even finishing 8th worst, you only have a 60.8% chance of keeping the pick. To get to that 97% certainty, you've got to finish 6th worst or worse, which is tougher with other tanking teams around you.

    I'm extremely confident that CHI will more than likely not convey this year, with maybe a 50% chance of it conveying after that. Toronto was way different, they were a better team and had a narrower band to fall into. To protect a Top-6 pick, you've got to get down to the 3rd worst record to give you a 93% chance of protecting it. Toronto was always going to be a coin-flip at worst - and the odds of getting heads at least once over 3 coin flips is 87.5%.

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    Right now, he’s a rental. That’s why the offers are low.
    Very accurate math
    3x1 and tank mode or 5x1 later ( after extension) without own high 2025 pick
    solid callculation

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    No one has wanted Lauri more than me (well, maybe scott), but after getting Harrison ing Barnes, I don't see why PATFO would still be PF-hunting at this point. I'm not saying it won't happen, but I don't understand the logic in thinking that we're still after Lauri after the moves we've made so far. I think it's far, far more likely that PATFO is done with the off season.

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    Kings are still said to have interest but lack the assets. they arent willing to include Keegan. it would be Huerter and picks. but they cant offer their 2025, 2026, or 2027 pick, and their 2031 pick is now swapped.

    houston will need to consolidate at some point or let some decent young players walk. Jabari + Lauri as your bigs seems interesting but no rim protection between them. and not sure moving jabari for lauri makes sense either
    Kessler might be an interesting solution to that for HOU. He's pretty much ONLY a Rim Protector and rebounder. But if you're surrounding him with FVV or Reed/Green/Lauri/Jabari lineups... that could be interesting.

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    No one has wanted Lauri more than me (well, maybe scott), but after getting Harrison ing Barnes, I don't see why PATFO would still be PF-hunting at this point. I'm not saying it won't happen, but I don't understand the logic in thinking that we're still after Lauri after the moves we've made so far. I think it's far, far more likely that PATFO is done with the off season.
    Hold true my brother. Me, you and LeBowen will ride gloriously through fields of golden wheat when our Finnish lorde comes home to roost.

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