the whole "never impacted winning" thing is a re ed argument. Porzingis never impacted winning either and now he's an NBA champion. before Jrue Holiday got traded to Milwaukee he didn't impact winning either. now he's a 2 time champ.
"impacting winning" is largely a component of cir stance. hard to impact winning when you play for trash teams/organizations that dont prioritize putting a winning product on the floor
Last edited by Joseph Kony; 07-25-2024 at 03:21 PM.
He's actually one of the most elite "circulators" in the entire league. Everytime the ball gets to him, he either shoots it, drives it or passes it. The ball doesn't stick in his hands. That's why he's seemingly a great fit on every possible team. He doesn't need to have the ball in his hands to give you 20+.
What the are the spurs cooking
Yeah, I don't want to give up Devin at all. To me the point is to have Wemby + Lauri + Devin as the big 3. Are Lauri and Devin good enough? It's to be seen, but it's also to be seen if Wemby is a championship winning top dog (we believe he is, but a lot of guys seem that way but until they win it, they aren't it).
If it came down to it, I might do Lauri for Devin straight up, but I can see the arguments both ways. I posted earlier, that if Devin is involved I could see a good argument that Utah would have to send Lauri + picks for Devin, not the other way around. Devin is younger, is under an affordable contract, and plays better defense. On the flip side, Lauri is much more effective as a scorer. My personal opinion is that they kind of equal out and that is why I might do a straight up swap, but I can see both ways for why each side would demand extras in a Lauri for Devin swap.
With all that said, I don't want to give up Devin. I'm trying to build our big 3 and have Castle plus ATL25 and SA25 as our core. That's why my package ideals all keep Devin and the 25 picks.
No one with his anemic assist numbers is circulating the ball.
That's why I say this is very unlikely - 5% chance. You never know. He may lose ambition in basketball and enjoy Bay area life. Very unlikely but....
I don’t really consider Lauri at a level. He hasn’t accomplished anything. He’s put up numbers on a losing team. Someone has to.
The ball is actually in Lauri's hands. If he decides to win multiple les and extend with Spurs only, then Warriors will reduce their offer to 1 or 2 low FRPs for a one-year rental. Then Spurs's offer of 3 low FRPs will be easily enough to get lauri.
Yeah, he didn’t impact winning until he became the 4th or 5th option.
This is why you don’t unload 4 pics for a player like that.
But I do think your point has merit in the big picture.
Wemby is different for obvious reasons. Vassell is correct. He’s a 3rd option and possibly a 2nd on a hot night. You don’t unload 4 firsts for Vassell.
I believe we’d take 4 firsts in a heartbeat for Vassell and not think twice.
That's a very ignorant take, tbh. Having high assists totals doesn't necesarilly mean you "circulate" the ball, in fact, quite the opposite. Some of the biggest ball hogs in NBA history have high assists numbers (Iverson, Westbrook, Harden, etc.).
In contrast, many elite circulators have never had high assists totals, because they keep the ball moving. They don't suck the air out of the ball to pass it at the last second and get an assist. Klay Thompson never averaged more than 3 assists in a season, is he not a "circulator"?
Last edited by DAF86; 07-25-2024 at 04:14 PM.
You're clearly just basing it off of counting stats/record without context.
In an average rank of 8 "catch-all" metrics, Markkanen ranked 19th last season.
In EPM, considered one of the best publicly available metrics by stat geeks and supposedly many in the league, he ranked 28th (12th offensively). Estimated Plus-Minus (EPM) (dunksandthrees.com)
12 days to Aug 6…
75 pages - is this Kunt a spur yet?
The Spurs are not looking to get better this year, they are looking for the 2025 draft with their own pick and Atlanta. This year will be used to continue developing Wemby’s game, teach Castle how to run point with CP3 and evaluate more Sochan. At the end of next year, the Spurs will have nice expiring contracts in Barnes and Collins to go after a star. They will decide if they keep Sochan, Blake and Wesley.
we have CP0 who’s a hall of famer but still hasn’t won a championship and is known for choking at times. But Body has zero peep on that one.
Agree. Tony never has high assists but he’s very good initiating the open, suck up defenders, pass to a connector who passes to the better shot etc. This is elementary to Spurs fans.
And it was confusing to the defenses because they had no choice, but to get into uncomfortable situations because Tony was ready to strike at the 1st go, but also ready to move the D into a 2nd movement which would scramble everything up.
Would much rather the most efficient scorer in the league take his opportunities to shoot, than to try and rack up assists, tbh.
38 to 42 wins...if Chris is relatively healthy, stays on the team all year, and drags them to it.
No way you do Lauri for Devin straight up. Devin has a declining contract that in 3 years where he should be better than what he is now, won't even take up 10 or maybe even 9% of the salary cap, where as Laura is going to take up one of your max slots, and it's debatable on if he is a max player or not. I would hope this front office is at least smart enough to understand how many works...although they have surprised me before not understanding simple concepts, like not throwing the number 8 pick away for something down the road that could be absolutely nothing.
You can be an elite circulator without high assist numbers. Hockey assists aren’t tracked.
Its almost as bad as the dreaded “tbh”
It looks like the ATL25 pick is the dealbreaker based on rumors.
What are you hearing?
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