It's just my personal opinion, but I side with the players. I make great money and I could afford to take a pay cut... but I'm not going to. Granted, I'm not a professional athlete, but same principle applies IMO. Lauri should get his and take care of his family for generations to come. these owners.
After X # of million at what point does it make a difference?
Hey i can live in an 11 BR mansion or i can live in a 10 bedroom mansion. Is there really a difference to NBA player and familys day to day life?
I just think making 85% of whatever he's make in Utah being on a .500 forever team would pale in comparison to running 5 rings with Wemby.
The kicker is that many of them are broke after their NBA career. I don't see Mark being on of those tho.
I can ask the same of these owners though. I'd rather the players I root for get that extra bowling alley in the basement of their mansion than Holt Jr. to get another vacation home. I root for the players and the team, not the owners.
Oh absolutely.
I think he is helping the Utah owner more by signing with them.
Love to see more NBA players play out their contract, become UFA. I know, very risky what if they get injured.
Ironic that it was Durbetta who did that.
Not really an apples-to-apples comparison since in your job money is the primary measure of success for both you and your boss. However with sports teams many of the players and owners claim that winning a championship is the primary motivator ( which I don’t really believe, but is what many say). With a limited amount available for payroll a player taking a little less (like Brunson who I believe is going to catch a lot of from other players) can increase the chances of the stated goal of winning a championship. I am fine with players getting all they can just don’t be a hypocrite and say the most important thing is winning a ring when it is actually getting the biggest contract possible and winning a ring is secondary to that which is exactly what most of us would do given the chance.
Lebron set the tone when he announced he was never going to take less than the max again after the Heat dumped Miller to save money. Before that, taking less to stay and win was seen as a perfectly viable pathway. Not everyone did it, but it wasn't controversial. Lebron basically said players could have their cake (max money) and eat it to (competing for les) by strong-arming owners into going into the tax to build super teams. The new apron systems are trying to make that pathway inviable again. They still haven't fixed the Stepien rule to prevent these mega trades where teams ruin their futures to acquire a single guy. But I imagine it'll come soon. I do believe we'll see the day where stars avoid the DPE and even take less again in order to win. Eventually, players will figure out that no one is willing to give them a blank check and GMing powers anymore. It may require owners like Ishiba to get with the program first.
Of course you have no way of knowing what I do, and that's not your fault, but I'll say that some of the same principles your talking about apply to private industry as well. There are other organizations goals beyond money, and while we don't have a mandated salary cap, we no organization has unlimited resources and no successful organization will operate as if they do. There is still a limited amount available for payroll, and an employee taking less could make it possible to give someone else more or hire an extra person who could make the the organization more productive. I would still never do this and wouldn't convince any of my folks do so either.
I do agree that players go overboard with the "it's all about winning" talk - and a player who does say that should put there money where their mouth is and take less. But other than that, I'm completely fine with players getting what's theirs while competing their hardest to win.
I guess Brunson would be the latest example of this happening for a team, but I get your point.
Man, I need to go read about that. Did Brunson say why he gave up that much? Did he really want some of those players on the team, or was it because he wants to win a Championship that he was willing to sacrifice.
It was clever business:
- As calculated he probably can make up for the difference once he signs the next deal (don't forget, that his current deal is one year shorter).
- He is in a situation (his dad, his godfather), where it's not simply about trust, that he will get his deal. Thats more or less a unique situation.
- He is seen even more as a great guy...not saying he isn't...but that alone might net him some money coz of add deals.
- He makes sure, the team stays compe ive, thus keeping his stock up.
...and well: It's fun to play with your pals.
Yeah, OK, pretty cool. Seems it was a smart decision with a bunch of other factors I didn't know about. Does his dad work for the Knicks?
I think we are in agreement. I have no heartburn whatsoever with players getting as much as they can. Just don't act like winning is the most important thing when it's not.
Rick Brunson (his dad) is an assistant coach and Leon Rose (his godfather) is the president of the team.
Nobody thinks, the, are gone once Jalens contract is up and even if that would happen, the Knicks would shoot themselves in the foot if they lowball Brunson then.
Only way he is loosing out on that money is if he gets injured badly.
Thank you for correcting me! Sorry for my dumb math. In my head, I had 80% of top 5 pick each season for Hawks. Without Murray, they should have the bottom 5 record. Does this mean at least chance of top 5 pick?
Thank you for the info! I was ignorant!
Current odds on tankathon, I don't think they changed after all the recent moves.
I'd swap Bulls and Jazz after their firesale.
Anyhow, those 8 teams will tank for sure. Some won't do it right away, but eventually it's going to happen.
Maybe Hornets finally put it together and make the play-in.
As you can see, you can't move up by just one or two spots when you're in late lottery.
You either move into top4, keep your spot or move down. That's why I don't like gambling with low odds.
Atlanta has zero incentive to tank and in my book that's +10 wins automatically. Especially in such weak conference.
No way they get into top5 odds if Trae is healthy.
I can assume that Tankathon thinks Lauri is gone given those odds.
Looking at Atlanta's odds and one of those picks should be on the table for Lauri. As its been said many times ATL wont tank without control of their own picks and those picks are not the golden tickets people think they are.
Players maximizing earnings is often a principle and status (just like starting is so important to many) thing, which is understandable.
That said, because this new CBA is practically a hard cap, expect to see more stars being open to (if they can land certain players by opening up access to certain exceptions, like James was willing to do) or flat out "taking less".
Specifically, the aging, injury prone types in non or borderline contending situations, are going to have decisions to make.
Good question. Does Tankathon speculate or only go with what teams roster is for a fact at present?
do players who win more, earn more?
does it make financial sense to get a lower salary that will be more than made up for by endorsements, future 'savvy vet who knows how to win' deals, etc?
If we assume ATL finished 10th worst each of the next 3 seasons, then the odds of the Spurs getting at least 1 Top-4 pick would be 36.2%
Current odds on tankathon, I don't think they changed after all the recent moves.
I'd swap Bulls and Jazz after their firesale.
Anyhow, those 8 teams will tank for sure. Some won't do it right away, but eventually it's going to happen.
Maybe Hornets finally put it together and make the play-in.
As you can see, you can't move up by just one or two spots when you're in late lottery.
You either move into top4, keep your spot or move down. That's why I don't like gambling with low odds.
Atlanta has zero incentive to tank and in my book that's +10 wins automatically. Especially in such weak conference.
No way they get into top5 odds if Trae is healthy.
Close the thread. He’s not going anywhere. Keyonte went all the way to Finland to train with Lauri. People talking about how keeping Lauri will prevent them from getting a top 10 pick. I doubt it. They’ll pull all stops to tank next year. Coach will be in on it this time and bench players left and right. I don’t think there will be much an issue there.
Pic also shows how much of a vet leader Lauri would have been for the Spurs. Imagine our young guys flying out to Finland to train with him.
I do believe you are most likely correct.
However, I did want to comment that this looks like one of the photos that you see years later of players who met some NBA stars when they were 12
Me right now:
https://streamable.com/vncmyf
Just replace the Knicks logo with Spurs.
Knowing what a poor shooter Keynote George is, he was probably trying to get to Paris.
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