let’s win now

[Pauleta14]

And you're overstimating the impact Wemby will have on spurs abiltiy to attract FAs. these guys are dealing with their own career (and ego), they don't live for SA, Wemby or spurs fans wishes.This is a business, and much less romantic than what fans sometimes imagine. For these next 2-3 years, they'll take the chance to contend on a team like OKC any day over having to spend 3 years of their prime watching young prospects develop (or not) in SA. Winning a le is really hard, an opportunities rare.

Not to mention, not veryone will want to live under Victor's shadow but will prefer being the alpha somewhere else, specially in bigger markets... I didn't hear many rumors of stars dying to sign in SA so far, and what stars are we talkng about anyway? Giannis or Luka are not coming anytime soon, they'll prefer having THEIR team, than being Victor's sidekick. They're not gonna go like, "Hey look mom, I'm playing with Wemby!".

We shouldn't be reasoning as if having Wemby will NECESSARILY and naturally bring us to a 10 year dynasty, that this is written, all the stars fighting to come here and everyone surrendring to us... the NBA is really hard and doesn't exist just for the spurs.

I'm not saying that at all... ^^

The topic was just comparing OKC and Spurs attractiveness and potential success short term.

I just don't agree that OKC is head a shoulders above, things go fast and Spurs have a unique player OKC can't compete with.

Also forgot the tax advantages of Texas (no idea bout Okc's tbh)

Anyway we'll see, will be fun to bring this exchange in a cple years

[spurraider21]

I can't see any way Chet's not a max player unless he blows out a knee or something.

if Mobley got the max you can bet your ass Chet will. tbh the only question becomes if Chet becomes eligible for the bump after making an all-nba team or winning DPOY before his extension would kick in. wouldnt necessarily bet on it, but its plausible.

[Seventyniner]

if Mobley got the max you can bet your ass Chet will. tbh the only question becomes if Chet becomes eligible for the bump after making an all-nba team or winning DPOY before his extension would kick in. wouldnt necessarily bet on it, but its plausible.

The only question is if Chet becomes eligible for the supermax. That's a good problem to have for the Thunder, though it would make keeping their core together without going over the second apron more difficult. They might not even be willing to pay the luxury tax at all, which would hamper them further.

[exstatic]

The only question is if Chet becomes eligible for the supermax. That's a good problem to have for the Thunder, though it would make keeping their core together without going over the second apron more difficult. They might not even be willing to pay the luxury tax at all, which would hamper them further.

Their ing owner wouldn’t before, and lost Harden over like $2M a year. What a tool. I guess he thought he could just dip into the draft and get another one,not realizing that drafting three HOF players in Durant, Westbrick, and Harden in consecutive drafts without a #1 pick is probably like us pulling DRob, then Tim, then Wemby.

[tonight...you]

Wouldn't trade my life for anything, tbh

Roger dodger bud.

[MannyIsGod]

It is about equivalent to if you posted a thread saying "I think we will have the most active hurricane season on record" and then later someone following up with "HAHA YOU ING IDIOT IT WAS ONLY THE SECOND MOST ACTIVE HURRICAN SEASON ON RECORD, DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT"

When Gambit made the post, the Spurs were first in the division, had DDR, LMA, DJM and DW still on the team, people still had hope for WrongLuka. We didn't yet have our war chest of picks.

Credit to the FO, who evidently looked at that situation and agreed with gambit, deciding to then move off of every single one of those players, ac ulate picks, tank, and get Wemby.

Here are some bangers from that thread.



[/COLOR]I chose this one because since we own far out swaps from the defending champ, defending runner up and defending WC runner up, it shows how quickly things can change. Turns out Rocket's warchest was pretty good.



Dallas rode the treadmill all the way to the finals. Pretty good.



, I'm sure glad we aren't riding on a big 3 of Keldon, Devin and DJM. How depressing would that be?



LOL. This was posted on 2/14/2021. We were LOADED! ROFL.



Pretty sure this was unit (minus Luka, who wasn't part of anything) was one of the worst defensively in the history of the NBA.



This is indicative of most of the responses in that thread, posted 3/3/21. No one was talking about the Spurs tanking and landing a guy like Wemby and that is how they turned around. People legit thought our future was bright because we had DJM, DW, Keldon, Devin, LWIV, Luka, etc. and CAP SPACE... LOL MUH CAP SPACE. Never fails to get people.



[/COLOR]WE STACKED!!! And this was a real post, not merely trolling!

I could go on, but it's just page after page of the same.

Gambit deserves roasting for being annoying, and not being able to construct posts in a coherent manner. But if I look back at his post (which I just did), his "worst future" take isn't the one that's laughable, in hindsight.

Thank god PATFO apparently believed less in the Spurs future than this board did, and decided to blow it up.

You get no argument for me that there are plenty of people making stupid predictions on Spurstalk, but that's kind of the point. Saying the Spurs had the worst future in their division isn't clearly correct when at no point did they clearly have a worse future than Houston is my point, and no amount of posts from other folks is going to change that is true. The hurricane analogy is terrible because being within one rank out of a dataset that includes ~100 entries is pretty ing different than being 1 off in a dataset that includes 5 entries. There are only 4 other teams in the division for s sake! If you're going to say that we had the worst future out of all of them it should be pretty ing clear that was the case if you're going to claim victory and I don't know how you can make the case that its that clear. This is exactly why you're not arguing along the lines of the Spurs actually having the worst future any at any point but posting what other people thought or that its OK to be close.

To be fair, I've aways hated that thread because its just one example of people posting bull on this site and then claiming their prediction was spot on when there never really was a prediction to begin with but rather it was someone just talking out of their ass. I know you understand my POV on this as someone who is also analytically minded. A broken clock is right two times a day and all that but it's not right when it reads 12:00 and the actual time is 11:00.

Also honestly, gambit. Stop shooting him bail lol.

[MannyIsGod]

I can't see any way Chet's not a max player unless he blows out a knee or something.

Even with a blown knee the dude is getting a max, TBH. If not for Wemby last year, he'd be the best rookie in quite some time.

[baseline bum]

Even with a blown knee the dude is getting a max, TBH. If not for Wemby last year, he'd be the best rookie in quite some time.

Yeah kind of feel bad for him. If it wasn't for Wemby the media would be going insane over his rookie season. Though not too bad since he's making millions of dollars and on a ridiculously talented team.

[scott]

You get no argument for me that there are plenty of people making stupid predictions on Spurstalk, but that's kind of the point. Saying the Spurs had the worst future in their division isn't clearly correct when at no point did they clearly have a worse future than Houston is my point, and no amount of posts from other folks is going to change that is true. The hurricane analogy is terrible because being within one rank out of a dataset that includes ~100 entries is pretty ing different than being 1 off in a dataset that includes 5 entries. There are only 4 other teams in the division for s sake! If you're going to say that we had the worst future out of all of them it should be pretty ing clear that was the case if you're going to claim victory and I don't know how you can make the case that its that clear. This is exactly why you're not arguing along the lines of the Spurs actually having the worst future any at any point but posting what other people thought or that its OK to be close.

To be fair, I've aways hated that thread because its just one example of people posting bull on this site and then claiming their prediction was spot on when there never really was a prediction to begin with but rather it was someone just talking out of their ass. I know you understand my POV on this as someone who is also analytically minded. A broken clock is right two times a day and all that but it's not right when it reads 12:00 and the actual time is 11:00.

Also honestly, gambit. Stop shooting him bail lol.

It's not my fault you can't predict hurricane seasons more accurately

[DAF86]

this is an L.

Murray, White, Vassell, Keldon, Poeltl and Samanic, if he would have panned out (a young PF that could spread the floor, put the ball in the floor and pass it a little). That team could have been above .500, imho.

[DAF86]

I didn't say Samanic was the . I didn't say they were gonna be good. I just stated that that core with a good floor stretching PF would have been "decently" stacked as in "we could maybe make the playoffs". Weren't the Spurs a play-in team even without that floor stretching PF that season? Where's the "L", tbh?

I have plenty of "L" takes, this isn't one, tbh.

[scott]

Murray, White, Vassell, Keldon, Poeltl and Samanic, if he would have panned out (a young PF that could spread the floor, put the ball in the floor and pass it a little). That team could have been above .500, imho.

tbh, I have a hard time seeing that team make the playoffs, unless by "panning out" you mean that Luka became (and I dare to say his name...) Lauri Markkanen.

[MannyIsGod]

It's not my fault you can't predict hurricane seasons more accurately

I'm sure Nostagambit could.

[DAF86]

tbh, I have a hard time seeing that team make the playoffs, unless by "panning out" you mean that Luka became (and I dare to say his name...) Lauri Markkanen.

He just needed to be good enough to be a rotation piece for them to be in the playoffs hunt, imho. I mean, they were a play-in team with Keldon playing PF.

[scott]

He just needed to be good enough to be a rotation piece for them to be in the playoffs hunt, imho. I mean, they were a play-in team with Keldon playing PF.

That team, minus a "panned out" Luka was just good enough for the Spurs to decide to blow it up and tank.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Now that there is no Markkanen to the Spurs buzz, I vote wait.

This!

We will get two top 10 picks next summer. Not bad at all.

[Sugus]

I know I'm late to respond to this but...

I don't think its hard at all to say he's wrong. Why would we think that the Spurs had a worst future than a team like the Rockets at that time? Dallas already had Luka, and Memphis and NOLA were on the rise but Houston was still absolute and really hasn't done anything to merit praise. It was inevitable that the Spurs would have to bottom out, but I would argue they maximized their opportunity to do so. And sure, that involves the lottery luck to go your way, but the expected value of tanking in a year with Wemby is a lot higher than tanking in years like last year and that was a direct decision they made. Knowing when to make your move to maximize the reward for the risk is vital. You can maybe make the argument that the Rockets had a slightly better 2 years ago when the Spurs traded Dejonte but that's well after the thread was made and even then its debatable.

People on this forum love to act like Sengun is the next coming because they wanted to draft him, but I promise you the Rockets aren't exactly foaming at the mouth to give him a max contract. Same thing with Green who isn't as good.

When confronted by this in the thread Gambit never was able to back it up. When confronted that other teams were still finishing worse than the Spurs, he just deflected and talked about the future and that he didn't mean THAT year. Just because the Rockets started the tank earlier and had high lotto picks on their team before the Spurs doesn't necessarily mean they had a better future. Providing vague statements about what you actually mean for something that was inevitable (the Spurs being bad again at some point) is exactly the kind of move grifters use.

Great post! You explained the issue with the original post, and thread story far better than I could.

On that note - the praise and hype for the Rockets' rebuild really is puzzling. I take Wemby a hundred times over any of their players, and basketball happens to be one of the sports where one Omega-level player can have the most impact on the game.

[Sugus]

did the spurs land wemby? yeah, awesome. that doesn't take away from the spurs being #1 in their division (when i posted that thread) to being near the bottom of the leagues' standings for years to come.

that thread was truth. stop acting like i said five years or decade

I can't believe you intentionally made a thread with an ambiguous time prediction years ago, and are still trying to move the goalpost into fitting what's convenient to you. Why the are we supposed to act like "the future" is the time period immediately before, but not during, the time where the Spurs get Wemby, a player x10 better than Ja or Zion, immediately making their future outlook much better than their division rivals'?

Especially since no division rival has had real success since you made the thread, except for the Mavs' last year run (which falls outside your "future" box anyways ). I don't call any of the Rocket's or Pelicans' seasons since then successful, and I don't think any Spurs fan should.

If you'd led it either "the Spurs' core will fall off very soon and we should sell high" or something, you could've avoided being ing wrong. But alas...

[Sugus]

...But I do have to give it to you, Gambit. I realized it then, and it aged like wine;

It only just occured to me that this thread was a reverse-jinx to ensure the Spurs land Wembanyama. I'm rid of doubts: we're landing the No.1 pick in the next draft. I'll be sure to thank OP properly after we're done celebrating...

Thanks for a solid jinx, however unknowingly, tbh

[DAF86]

That team, minus a "panned out" Luka was just good enough for the Spurs to decide to blow it up and tank.

Yeah, there you have the "not panning out" part. Also, a once in a lifetime prospect.

[scott]

Yeah, there you have the "not panning out" part. Also, a once in a lifetime prospect.

I did not realize how pivotal Luka Sammich was!

[DAF86]

I did not realize how pivotal Luka Sammich was!

It was the prototype that was important.

[KobesAchilles]

Spurs are getting 2 top 4 picks next year fam. Then we mortgage our future

[LeBowen]

Spurs are getting 2 top 4 picks next year fam.

Not happening. Even one would be beyond lucky.

Then we mortgage our future

Do you understand what mortgaging the future means?
Wemby is 20, Devin is 24 today (hb) and other potential long-term pieces are 19-21.
Spurs won't trade away Wemby, Devin, Castle or Jeremy next summer no matter what.
Next summer we'll be able to trade picks up until 2032.
Meaning that even if we trade away all those picks we'll have everyone currently on the roster and 2025 draftees still in their prime when we get our picks back.
That's not mortgaging the future.

Mortgaging the future is trading away future picks 3 to 7 years down the line when your franchise player and other key pieces are alredy in their late 20s or early 30s.

[KobesAchilles]

We are getting Flagg in the summer. And the kid from Spain.

And yes I know what it means. I believe we are getting Flagg and the Spanish PG (I forgot his name) in next years draft. We will have a ton of picks from 2026-2031 to trade along with Devin and others to package with the picks for a veteran piece. So we would have our young core (and this time a real core and not a DA86 core) of Flagg, Castle, Spanish kid, and Wemby. We get rid of Vassell for some all star or even just a really good role player who knows his role and knows how to actually play basketball. I mean tbh we could trade like 5 FRPs for these types of players who we would need on our team. And our team would be set up for a nice like 4 year window of contention before financially we would have to blow it all up.