It's not my sole guiding factor, but you want to act like it's an aberration when it's the single major thing the Democrats have accomplished this century. I don't see what's so hilarious about calling Bernie center when his biggest goal was Medicare For All which is a very centrist position if you look at what the public wants and not what the political elites want.
Also I posted the chart because you seem confused continually arguing Kamala and Biden are to the left of Trump as if I was arguing differently.
You think Clinton is to the left? One of the most lasseiz-faire presidents we have ever had with respect to Wall Street for example? Clinton is the one who dragged the party to the right after they lost the 88 election due to Willie Horton and a tank photo-op.
My main guiding factor in calling the Democrats a right wing party is how they have built themselves in Bill Clinton's image, at least the current power structure of the DNC, and he was clearly right wing. FFS he kept Greenspan in charge of the FED. But more examples, how about Obama doing nothing to the criminals who wrecked our economy in 2008? Instead he had a financial team stretching from Goldman to Sachs. Or one of Obama's worst moments, when he drank toxic water from Flint in a press conference to try to provide cover for Gov Snyder and his privatization scheme when the people of Flint were looking for real leadership. See silly negroes, it's safe to take a sip out of this.
ACA was the single most impactful legislation passed since god knows how long, so yes, i would agree that it is the major things democrats have accomplished. another major accomplishment of democrats this century is getting out of the iraq and afghanistan wars. keeping the US at least reasonably in the picture when it comes to the green energy revolution (though we are still behind where we should be). how about dodd frank and CFPB? how about guiding the US into recovery thru the great recession and post covid? the latter of which has so far threaded the needed as far as necessary stimulus to keep things growing and has finally curbed inflation without tanking the economy?
while not specifically legislated, biden's NLRB has been one of the biggest boons to organized labor since probably FDR. even symbolically, he is the first president ever to walk in a picket line (UAW strike). while its been struck down for now, he also tried to outright ban non-competes. sure he's not trying to abolish wage labor, but this part of his presidency is pretty unequivocally left wing
in what universe is medicare for all a centrist position? yes you can find the odd poll where 70% of people or something say they want it but when those polls are phrased in ways that say things like "private health care plans would be eliminated" the support vanishes. if it was really that popular, we'd see way more M4A types get elected. bernie would have outpolled any democrat in primaries if it was that popular among democrats, let alone the general public. and yeah, while the DNC didnt do bernie any favors, he also wasnt getting enough votes despite M4A being is one calling card that everybody knew him for.
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Not when he kicked so many people off welfare. At that time, apparently, balancing the budget was a goal to be reached. Clinton worked with Republican urging to accomplish this via cutting social programs, shutting various military facilities etc. This was apparently lauded by both parties.
My point is that both parties lie. But imo, the Republicans have made this THE major way to do business. It’s totally out of control now.
They work amongst themselves calling each other liars. In fact lying is considered a major mode of communication. This makes no sense to me if one is trying to accurately present some problem to be solved.
Republicans are the party of one man. And he is a pathological liar.
Imo you would have to take some European government, call it left, and then it would be easier to determine what individual politicians are socially and economically. In the US the ruler to measure this description of L and R is in flux. It’s a relativistic measurement and the point of view is changing.
Sorry man that's some real limousine liberal talk hyping the jobless recovery of 2009 as some proof the DNC isn't right wing. Absolute disaster for the working class, similar with the post COVID recovery that has turned so much of the labor market over to crap gig work. But the stock market went up both times. What credit should the DNC get for curbing inflation? Corporations just jacked prices up until they squeezed so much blood out of the people there's not much left. Sorry man, the economy is tanked when you look at what housing costs (there's another criminal conspiracy with RealPage), what education costs (WTF at having to go into so much debt to pay for the right to work a stable job in this nation?), what healthcare costs, and what food costs. This is not a healthy nation and it has been sad watching the US turn more and more into Mexico the last 45 years with the skyrocketing wealth disparity, though a two class society likely is the stable equilibrium of capitalism just like it was here pre WWII.
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Sad that don't prosecute a criminal ing conspiracy because muh shareholders is middle of the road conservatism these days.
Also their biggest blunder was not admitting DC and PR as states to try to level the playing field just a little in the senate and electoral college.
i addressed college costs as another failure of the dems.
for stuff like food. yes, inflation is a thing. but so is real wage growth. our purchasing power for food has and continues to grow with time. if more dumbasses overspend because they eat outside the house more or keep using doordash or ubereats, thats not a failure of the democratic party, sorry
I'm referring to grocery costs which have been clearly inflated. One of the worst things about the price gouging in food is the formerly cheap shot up in price. Eggs, cereal, ramen noodles, like that has gone through the roof in pricing when they used to be cheap calories. I still remember when beef prices shooting to the moon in 2011 was blamed on the Texas drought and then they just stayed high forever after thanks to the meat cartel.i addressed college costs as another failure of the dems.
for stuff like food. yes, inflation is a thing. but so is real wage growth. our purchasing power for food has and continues to grow with time. if more dumbasses overspend because they eat outside the house more or keep using doordash or ubereats, thats not a failure of the democratic party, sorry
same applies. yes, prices have gone up. so have real wages. purchase power has still been heading in the right direction. thats all encompassed by the "food at home" figure in the chart above.
as for eggs, yes, they skyrocketed for a period. some of that was attributed to a shortage. some of it was undeniably price gouging using the bird flu as a pretext. though prices did then return to basically 2014 or so levels. have gone back up again somewhat in recent months but hard to know exactly where it will stabilize
did you ever get around to explaining how bernie's medicare for all proposal is centrist in the US?
It's centrist until you mention Democrats.
I'm comparing to the rest of the rich world. There's no way the DNC isn't right wing by that standard when they still fully support this ridiculous reverse robin hood healthcare system and had to be dragged kicking and screaming into finally letting Medicare negotiate prices on a whole 10 drugs twenty years after Bush made it illegal.
im asking how its centrist at all
Fine, if you want to argue the public option is the centrist position in the US the DNC is still very right wing compared to the public on healthcare.
Democrats might be "left wing" in this country, but by any other westernized country's standards, they are still right wing. I don't see how this is arguable. In fact, I would consider the two parties essentially a right-wing uniparty at this point, and have since at least 2015.
I remember a specific article posted by winehole23 about how Obama, in a vacuum, during his presidency could have been considered a moderate republican with his views.
Obamacare's passage, for example, might have brought us more to the left of insurance companies simply conducting highway robbery and murder on a grand scale, but that doesn't mean the act itself is even the representation of a globally centrist position. All of the other countries we could compare ourselves to have essentially free (at the point of contact) healthcare, not partially subsidized with often-times massive premium payments and co-pays/deductibles remaining for the majority of those insured.
It's the same for items like gun regulation and abortion. Other countries don't allow guns at all except for very specific sporting/hunting uses, with many countries denying license even in those cases. Democrats want to ban assault weapons and some modifications. It's to the left of the free for all we have right now, but it's not a position that can be compared to all of these other countries.
Abortion is literally enshrined in multiple major country's cons utions, as well. There's not even a debate in Europe about women's reproduction rights as far as I can tell.
As change occurs, the positions of the spectrum changes with it. Americans, including democrats, just by essentially "standing still", have been moved as if by conveyer belt further and further to the right. Our military spending, in my humble opinion, is what drives this undercurrent strongest, but that's perhaps another discussion.
Target’s CEO blasts Kamala’s claim that retailers are price gouging:
https://x.com/realDailyWire/status/1826677868656820349
We have a party that serves to maintain the wealth and lifestyle of inheritance billionaires, and we have a party who serves to increase it. They have us fight over things that have no effect on them at all. The 1% is not impacted in any way by the legality of abortion, guns, sex change operations, diversity programs, public healthcare, public schools or book banning, so they keep us arguing over them because 1) those things rightfully matter to us, and 2) it keeps us too distracted to band together to take more of what they've ac ulated on our backs.
Last edited by Spurminator; 08-22-2024 at 01:45 PM.
Yeah I remember that argument from Ginsburg that abortion will never be illegal for rich white women who can just hop on a plane to another state.
CC thinks Harris is flighty and irrational, I think I've heard this song before.
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