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No. His left hand comes off much earlier, and it has almost no angle rotation. It looks better, as of international play this summer.
I need to see the defense take a leap this year tbh. He's been an okay defender thus far that has shown flashes that he can defend different positions. But he needs to be well above average on that front if he wants to keep his starting spot especially with Castle looming.
No. His left hand comes off much earlier, and it has almost no angle rotation. It looks better, as of international play this summer.
I love that he's looking a lot stronger at the rim now. Hopefully he can become a net positive player this year.
Exactly this. The paint is his bread and butter now and where he needs to continue to excel at.
They’ll move Vassell off before they move Sochan, tbh. None of these three have similar traits but Castle can’t be a guy who thrives in the paint like Sochan does because 1) it takes away what he does best which is perimeter playmaking and 2) Castle is strong but Sochan’s tasked with guarding 5’s too and Castle can’t do that for long periods.
rotation is better but it is so ing SLOW coming out of his hand.
stupider like a fox!
If we're talking strictly this season, Barnes can do what Sochan does defensively tbh. If we're talking after this season, they can draft a guy that can do what Sochan does and let Castle slip in seamlessly into the SL (Castle was great at cutting at UConn). I think Steph will be in the SL no matter what by next year since CP0 is likely gone but the notion that Sochan should be fully entrenched into the SL without significant improvement is false IMO.
Agreed.
Jeremy's current skillset just just doesn't fit well with Wemby.
If he doesn't make some big improvements on offense, he should be benched.
I'll say it again, but I feel like people wouldn't rate him so highly if he wasn't cosplaying as Rodman.
I'm going to wait real games and a few weeks to judge him.
I'm rooting for him but he has A LOT more to show that a 3pt % improvement to me. Court vision, ball handling, focus, sustained efforts on D are as important for him to be a core player for the future.
In my book, Spurs only have 3 positions covered to build a contender with Devin, Stephon and Vic.
We badly need to cover 3 (next draft?) and 4 in the next year
You and LeBowen interpreted my post wrong. I’m not saying Sochan should be entrenched, I’m saying Castle or any perimeter player like him shouldn’t replace Sochan as a PF. A better PF can absolutely replace Sochan.
I also disagree with LeBowen’s notion that he isn’t a good fit with Wemby. A versatile PF that thrives in the paint is exactly what he needs. Not a sharpshooting 4 that everyone’s clamoring for. What I’d hope is that Sochan plays more physical and adopts a bullyball mentality… that’s how he’ll become the perfect fit.
The problem is that right now Jeremy isn't a versatile PF.
We went over it many times this summer. I kept repeating that he has to become reliable inside and around the paint, that's as big of an issue right now as his shooting.
Ask yourself, in which situations Jeremy can get the ball and make a difference? Imo, only against guards that are just too small to contain him.
I want him to succeed, but this year will be the most important one for his career trajectory.
If he doesn't take the next step, just bench him next season and get someone who's actually a versatile PF.
Kind of what happened with Keldon. Peaked early and got benched.
Also, I see wing positions as a combo where we need two complementary players.
Obviously it would be ideal to get two complete wings who can do it all, but realistically we need one wing to be an elite shooter who's not a negative on defense and the other one should be the vesatile wing you want.
If we want Gordon at PF, then we also need an elite shooter like MPJ at SF.
That's why Markkanen was the player I wanted the most.
If Jeremy, Devin and Castle live up to their potential, he'd would've been a perfect fit for the starting lineup as Jeremy's wing partner.
“I kept repeating that he has to become reliable inside and around the paint”
…and I’m saying he’s looked comfortable and improved in that area so far. We disagree on this point, and that’s ok. My eyes are showing me an improved Jeremy, especially in the area you’re concerned with.
And he’s absolutely finding ways to get the ball more often by making precise cuts to the basket and finding better angles to get the ball.
my issue with him as a big is that he doesnt seem to have great hands. bobbles a lot of those interior passes. thats a big part of being a paint scorer.
My bad, I should've clarified I don't take preseason games that seriously.
He's looked better, we'll see how he does when the real thing starts.
My other point still stands.
If Jeremy is the long-term starter, we need a sharpshooter on the other wing.
Especially if Castle is also in the lineup.
I didn't mean to imply that Castle would be coming for Sochan's spot as the starting 4. I meant that the Castle is looking like he'll be able to do a lot of the things that Sochan currently does (switchability on defense, cutting to the hoop). Obviously he hasn't played a minute in the reg season yet but if Castle does end up becoming proficient at those things, I think it makes the decision to move Jeremy to the bench a lot easier and just put in a "big" with shooting ability (Harrison Barnes this year, or draft a Liam McNeely for next season)
I also disagree with your assessment that Vasell would be more likely taken out of the SL than Jeremy. Devin is IMO the 2nd most important player on the team and I think they have to continue to prioritize his development over somebody like Sochan if it came down to it tbh.
I do agree with you that an idealized version of Sochan is a great fit next to Vic. I'd love to see more of what we saw out of him against Miami with less butterfingers and better D. I'm still pulling for the kid tbh.
Yeah, he’s had turnovers. Right now I’m filing that under unfamiliarity with his new point guards on the team who aren’t making predictable, soft passes to him like before. Let’s see if it gets better.
He'll peak year 6
Vassell has a lot of things he need to improve upon one is getting to the line as to many times he has an open lane but takes the mid range shoot. Heck even Gervin said he told him to take it to the rim more as he was lowering his shooting average by not getting easy points.
As far as Sochan I have liked what I have seen so far as all I am looking is for a Physical player who sets hard picks fights for rebounds and can score 10 to 15 a game.
I haven’t watched the Pre-season as super closely as others,, but he has shown some improvement which is a positive.
I agree with others than the 3P% is going to be the key to what his ultimate form is. If it doesn’t come around, then I think he still provides plenty of value as a bench role player in the long run. The mere fact that he and Steph can take turns to guard guys like SGA and Luka over 48 minutes is in and of itself a major boon to the team.
Hopefully we see a big leap this year. I think a large part of it will just be a matter of concentration. Last season it seemed like there were times he just switched off due to a lack of focus. Honestly I’m surprised there hasn’t been more yelling in his general direction from Pop… but that’s probably just more of Pop getting soft with age.
JJJ is on a whole different price point than Sochan. Jabari Smith Jr. vs Jeremy Sochan is a better topic of debate. Rim protection + spot up shooting vs perimeter defense + connective passing and ballhandling on a role player projected salary.
I have always liked Sochan, but I feel like lately I’m becoming more disenchanted with him. I am actually disappointed that he’s still so thin and not as muscular as a Rodman type. He seems smaller and less athletic out there than you hope a dominating Rodman type should be. By his third season, I was expecting to look a bit ripped but I’m just not seeing it. Also, he’s one of these “Butter Hands” guys. Great when under the rim, but his hands…. lol
When did George Gervin tell him to take it to the rack more? Has he worked with Devin at some point, or was it jus some advice he gave him? If Devin could do that, it'd make a huge difference to his game and for the team.
I've always wondered why Devin doesn't get to the rim more. Does he not have the handles, or just doesn't like contact?
They did one of those Spurs Stories videos, where they paired a youngster with a legend. They paired Sochan with Parker. Devin drew Ice, and it turns out that Devin’s dad was a HUGE Ice fan. The suggestion was probably during that interview.
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