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    One of the most fascinating things to me is that Trump is exactly the kind of dude that his fans would hate to work for, yet they idolize him as some kind of managerial genius.
    Wait people want to get paid for their work?

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    Russiagate... 'nuff said!
    You mean some people suspected members of the Trump campaign might have been actively trying to collude with Russians because Trump's son, son-in-law and campaign manager admitted to actively trying to collude with Russians?

    'nuff said.

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    Russiagate... 'nuff said!
    True as far as I know, actually. Trump's sons wanted to collaborate, but it didn't happen with Trump himself, IIRC.

    The Russia/Ukraine situation is a ty one. I agree that Ukraine becoming a puppet for the West played a huge part in Russia invading.

    Now, there's no evidence we were going to see Ukraine join NATO or anything. Biden straight up said it wasn't happening. But we pulled the same and threatened nuclear war when they tried it with Cuba. I can see a Russian view here.

    That said, I'm American and so if Ukrainians want to fight Russians rather than us being forced to in a general war with NATO, that's better for us. The cost of the war in Ukraine is a negligible part of our budget, and the money pays huge dividends. We are locked in an alliance with Poland who would immediately be threatened by Russia if we just left Ukraine to their own devices. It is what it is, ty, but still turning out better for us with zero troops lost and some billions invested as opposed to Russia, who's sacrificing an entire generation for years of stalemate. Russia is one of our primary geopolitical opponents, if they're weaker, it's good for us. Just sayin

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    For our French friend, who seems very concerned with US Budget Deficits.

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    True as far as I know, actually. Trump's sons wanted to collaborate, but it didn't happen with Trump himself, IIRC.

    The Russia/Ukraine situation is a ty one. I agree that Ukraine becoming a puppet for the West played a huge part in Russia invading.

    Now, there's no evidence we were going to see Ukraine join NATO or anything. Biden straight up said it wasn't happening. But we pulled the same and threatened nuclear war when they tried it with Cuba. I can see a Russian view here.

    That said, I'm American and so if Ukrainians want to fight Russians rather than us being forced to in a general war with NATO, that's better for us. The cost of the war in Ukraine is a negligible part of our budget, and the money pays huge dividends. We are locked in an alliance with Poland who would immediately be threatened by Russia if we just left Ukraine to their own devices. It is what it is, ty, but still turning out better for us with zero troops lost and some billions invested as opposed to Russia, who's sacrificing an entire generation for years of stalemate. Russia is one of our primary geopolitical opponents, if they're weaker, it's good for us. Just sayin
    If Ukraine was actually on the verge of joining NATO then Putin would have been right to invade, especially with Europe looking like it was backsliding into fascism with Brexit passing, LePen looking like she'd win France, and Orban controlling Hungary. Biden's a piece of but he's not that stupid to basically declare war on Russia by admitting Ukraine to NATO.

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    True - but there is a difference, a major one. As much as these types vicariously live their dreams in their echo chambers via Trumpisms, they aren't billionaires with half a major country's population defending their every action. They don't get the free pass to pull bull but they want to act like they can and are just as powerful. They're not though, yet this fascination with "telling it like it is" (barf) is really the thing that brings these strongmen to power. It's a direct reflection on the stupidity (or at least, willful ignorance) of people who just can't be ed to critically assess anything that might hurt their feelings or make them realize they could be wrong.


    I know you know this but it's worth mentioning
    The worst part about a person who jacks off about "telling it like it is", is that they can never handle when they are the one being told "like it is".

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    If Ukraine was actually on the verge of joining NATO then Putin would have been right to invade, especially with Europe looking like it was backsliding into fascism with Brexit passing, LePen looking like she'd win France, and Orban controlling Hungary. Biden's a piece of but he's not that stupid to basically declare war on Russia by admitting Ukraine to NATO.
    jfc

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    Sorry mate, but you start out by equating the two candidates, then by saying that one party far outspends the other (which is not true in a historical or recent sense), then saying that the cost of the Ukraine war was too high, then saying it wasn't about the cost when shown that the costs were actually rather insignificant as a portion of the budget, and now you're trying this "but I said Trump was a lunatic!" thing.

    You've stepped all over yourself in this thread.
    Go back and read the exchange, I liked ur post regarding the budget btw, my point was only on the international impact of both administrations as I repeated multiple times.

    As for the cost of wars, it's not a scoop, but again it's never been a point that matters to me, I'm not concerned by budget talk.

    I haven't stepped all over myself as you say, I've had to deal with either idiots or disingenious ppl trying to put me in whatever extrem camp to help make their points.

    Some of you are really scary types of Karens tbh, I can only imagine you during the lockdowns insulting anyone without a mask or daring questionng the vaccine.

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    For our French friend, who seems very concerned with US Budget Deficits.
    This is an obvious baby back cuck source. It's not a based source like OANN or Elon Musk posts on X.

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    Yes the RICO charge against Trump for trying to overturn the results of the election in Georgia are just some I made up in an emo state. As is the hard right supreme court coming to the conclusion the president cannot be prosecuted for official acts. January 6th also never happened.
    You haven't even read the post have you ...

    Why should IGAF about this answer?

    How is that relevant to my point or the convo?

    Do you have reading difficulties?

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    Careful, stop being emo for quoting his words back to him
    Nope, you should take example actually

    We don't need to agree or even understand each other to stay civilised. He's clearly in control of his emotions

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    For our French friend, who seems very concerned with US Budget Deficits.
    Scott you don't need to lower yourself the the other Bum to win an argument.

    I repeated at least 5 times idgaf about US intern politic or budget. What are you aiming with this message?

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    I can't wait for a dictator

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    You haven't even read the post have you ...

    Why should IGAF about this answer?

    How is that relevant to my point or the convo?

    Do you have reading difficulties?
    I can't read your mind whether you were taking offense to me saying Trump tried to overthrow democracy or whether you were pissed I said you were normalizing Trump. Which you clearly were when you said you can't understand how Americans can take a side in Harris Vs Trump. Most of the time on this forum people would get triggered by the former but apparently you are by the latter.

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    For our French friend, who seems very concerned with US Budget Deficits.
    A perfectly familiar situation for the French who have just spent seven years in the hands of a president whom the billionaires' press called "the mozart of finance" and who widened the deficit like never before by eliminating taxes on the rich, by spending without looking at the financial aid to large companies which significantly reduces the state budget each year, and which has eliminated aid for the poorest and the middle class. And alongside these neoliberal impostors who claim to pursue policies of "economic rigor" when all they do is weaken public finances, there is in France, a left-wing alliance that came out on top in the elections (which the president anticipated, but as it was not the far right which came out on top as he hoped, he refused the result of the polls), the left whose economic program proposed increasing taxes on the richest (they pay them proportionally less than the poor) and to eliminate all indiscriminate aid to big businesses.

    This left, whose program is the only one to have been quantified and approved by economists (and which in theory had won the early elections), well... the press and the media (even public) continue to claim that it mismanages the state money.

    The neoliberal lies have been the same for forty years and have been widely deployed among the population and the media. Namely that the left mismanages public money because there are too many taxes and that the State, you see, is managed like a business: it is necessary to reduce its operating costs. Everywhere, always the question of reducing spending (which we would better call "investments", like a teacher salary), never that of increasing revenue and therefore creating fairer progressive taxes. I end the lying logic of neoliberalism: since the State is incapable of cleaning up its spending, we must therefore eliminate public services and transfer these services to the private sector, because as everyone knows the invisible hand will ruin inefficient hospitals which lose money, for the benefit of those who make a profit (with cosmetic surgery for example, especially not emergencies).

    Ruining states in order to destroy the public sector, eliminating public aid for the most deprived, and eliminating taxes for the powerful, this is the ambition of the neoliberals in power in many countries. It is neither the left, nor wars, nor epidemics which are ruining States, it is they, the neoliberals in power for forty years who are deliberately ruining our common good: the State.

    In democracies, the State belongs to the people. In dictatorship, the State is embodied by those who are at its head. And if we are slowly sliding more and more towards dictatorial regimes in the West, it is perhaps also because we forgot to like Étienne de La Boétie's tweet on The Discourse on Voluntary Servitude in the 16th century in which Étienne explains how the poorest totally subscribe to the slavery in which the powerful confine them. There is that among the voters of Trump, Le Pen, Orban and the others. Such a fascination with power that we refuse to exercise it for ourselves and delegate it to madmen against our own interests...

    Same situation.

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    I can't read your mind whether you were taking offense to me saying Trump tried to overthrow democracy or whether you were pissed I said you were normalizing Trump. Which you clearly were when you said you can't understand how Americans can take a side in Harris Vs Trump. Most of the time on this forum people would get triggered by the former but apparently you are by the latter.
    You don't need to read my mind bro. My words should be enough.

    If you understood an endorsement for Trump in anything I said, you have reading difficulties or you're just overwhelmed by your emotions with the elections coming I don't know...

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    You don't need to read my mind bro. My words should be enough.

    If you understood an endorsement for Trump in anything I said, you have reading difficulties or you're just overwhelmed by your emotions with the elections coming I don't know...
    Your both-sidesing clear as day no matter how much you run from it now after posting something stupid. Anyways, I'm done with you for a while since Ohtani's about to step up to the plate.

    I'm not american and don't have a side really, I just find it hard to understand how any intelligent person would take any side other than by default. Both are ed up

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    Pauleta14 types a lot of words

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    Your both-sidesing clear as day no matter how much you run from it now after posting something stupid. Anyways, I'm done with you for a while since Ohtani's about to step up to the plate.
    yes, both Kamala and Trump are ed up. what's wrong with this statement?

    If you're able to focus you should've seen a few lines or posts later me confirming the obvious that if I had to, I'd chose the lesser of 2 evils...

    ffs all this time just bc you don't take the time to read??

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    yes, both Kamala and Trump are ed up. what's wrong with this statement?
    Never said Harris isn't ed up; I'd have never voted for her in a primary if the ty Democrats would have had one. That's not the post you made. The one you made said no intelligent American should take a side, which is ridiculous when one candidate has literally attempted to overthrow democracy and if he wins will be able to do it next time now that the president is officially above the law for official acts per the wingnut supreme court.

    If you're able to focus you should've seen a few lines or posts later me confirming the obvious that if I had to, I'd chose the lesser of 2 evils...

    ffs all this time just bc you don't take the time to read??
    Quote that post

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    Pauleta14 types a lot of words
    Obviously, English is not his first language or he is a mentally challenged, c’est la vie.

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    yes, both Kamala and Trump are ed up. what's wrong with this statement?

    If you're able to focus you should've seen a few lines or posts later me confirming the obvious that if I had to, I'd chose the lesser of 2 evils...

    ffs all this time just bc you don't take the time to read??
    Whom do you consider the lesser of evils and why?

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    Obviously, English is not his first language or he is a mentally challenged, c’est la vie.
    It's funny he interprets being told to off like I'm saying fight me er or something like that. Pretty universal to talk like that informally whether it's with my friends from the US, France, Italy, Turkey, Peru, Mexico, Poland, etc. Doesn't really translate well with Japanese, Chinese, or Korean friends I have had but pretty normal for people from the west.

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    Whom do you consider the lesser of evils and why?
    Come on now, have I ever sounded like a conservative dude??

    To me it was never the topic of discussion, it all started just by me pointing out that the Dems are as ed up and under as many "evil" influences. Kamala is absurdly incompetent and the cliche of a muppet that will do whatever the most generous lobbist will ask her to do.

    Now selfishly as a non american, I'm not sure there's much difference in the damage the US gov does around the world. (my country isn't better)

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    Come on now, have I ever sounded like a conservative dude??

    To me it was never the topic of discussion, it all started just by me pointing out that the Dems are as ed up and under as many "evil" influences. Kamala is absurdly incompetent and the cliche of a muppet that will do whatever the most generous lobbist will ask her to do.

    Now selfishly as a non american, I'm not sure there's much difference in the damage the US gov does around the world. (my country isn't better)
    You could just say "Kamala Harris."

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