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The problem is, it's too small of a sample size. We have 9 games so far this season. His numbers could easily increase within a few weeks.
It's too soon to say this isn't just an early season slump yet.
Yeah I've watched all the games and I don't disagree but I also think that the team around him is somewhat worse right now than it was last year. We added Barnes and Paul, but subtracted Cedi, Devin, and Tre. And now Sochan too. I think its important to wait this out. Look, if we're halfway through the season and we're still seeing this then I would be more inclined to agree with you but right now I'm trying to be patient. I mean obviously I think our system is garbage but I think even in teh system Wemby will be much improved by the end of the year.
The problem is, it's too small of a sample size. We have 9 games so far this season. His numbers could easily increase within a few weeks.
It's too soon to say this isn't just an early season slump yet.
https://3stepsbasket.com/player/vict...nyama/shooting
4/21 total from those 3 mid-range positions is a bigger concern than his 3pt shooting, especially considering that he's 94% from the line.
As I said, too easy to bump him off balance.
Seems like we very much agree on the diagnosis, but not on the prognosis or the treatment.
Letting itself work out might work, but it's a much bigger risk. I think the greatest solve for a guy like Wemby is just creating a situation where his ing around is so evidently not acceptable that even he sees that... and I think that will come by being a more compe ive team. When you're soft tanking and how low expectations... what does it matter if Wemby s around and jacks up 13 threes? We're all just learning, right? But when we're actively competing in games, trying to make the play-in, the stakes are higher and that kind of play gets tolerated by no one.
My position is straight forward: what we are doing now might benefit us with a draft pick, but it will hurt us in terms of how it impacts Wemby's development. I prioritize the latter over the former.
I think the whole point of what Scott is getting at is a lot of these "growing pains" only exist because of the how the team is built around him, which I mostly agree with. There are basketball problems that exist with Victor that exist with all second year nba players and their are problems that exist with Victor that are solely because of who his teammates are, which is something the spurs should be doing a better job of managing because you know...it's their jobs.
Take Victor off this team and replace him with nothing. Is this even a modern basketball team? Do we have any big who can shoot 3's to the point that someone will guard them? Do we have a guard who can get from the 3 point line to the paint consistently? Do we have a 3 level scorer on this team? Do we even have a two level scorer on this team? Can we run modern nba plays and actions that are designed to get players open from 3? I'm and quite a few others are of the opinion that the answer to all of these questions is a resounding no with the exception of Devin being at least a 2 level scorer.
this is really all that needs to be said, ironically, one of chinook's most spot-on posts comes in just four sentences. (j/k)
I think it's close, but one way or another - my point is that this is the problem! Put a better team around him, and he'll elevate himself to match that level of play. He's a compe or, he wants to win. Dude was devistated because he got a silver medal at the Olympics. That's what I love about him. The lack of expectations right now because the team sucks is what allows him to avoid accountability.
The stats are in reference to Chinook's asinine suggestion that this is just what happens to blue chip 20-year olds.
A slump explains the low shooting %s, but it's his style of play right now that is also a problem. That's not a slump, that's a lack of accountability.
Exactly. Spot on.
To the point some other's, like Manny, have made. Yes - Devin has yet to play a game and that needs to be considered. Sochan is now hurt and that needs to be considered. We haven't seen our full strength squad yet... but we have seen that we have key rotation pieces that are below standard, and that will lower us into this soft tank/"we're just seeing what we have"/low expectations environment where it doesn't matter if Wemby plays like a low efficiency chucker. But it does matter - because we need Wemby learning how to play like a true leader, not learning how to be a chucker.
It's a top3 worst roster in the league without Wemby.
Devin is legit, but injured. He'd be a legit starter for most teams.
Jeremy has shown great improvement, got injured. Still, he's a forward with no jumpshot which is a huge issue in today's league.
CP3 is a great leader, but he's obviously done and the most he can do is take over for short stretches.
Barnes is also solid, but he never imposes himself and the team often just forgets about him.
Champagnie is turning out to be our third best young player and is the only modern role player we have. Him and Devin are the only shooters that are legit off-ball movement threats.
The rest are charity cases. Some might develop into useful rotation pieces somewhere, but most are useless.
Keldon is what he is, we should've traded him before everyone realized.
Tre is a player limited by his athleticism that's below NBA level and he'll never be anything more than a subpar backup. Being on a horrible roster makes him look way better than he actually is.
Collins is worse than half the centers in G-league.
Branham, Mamu, Wesley, Sidy and Bassey are fighting to stay in the league.
Castle is a rookie with high upside, but he's playing on a roster with horrible spacing, making his development more difficult than it needs to be.
How many of our rotation members would be useful for playoff teams? Not even contenders, but teams like let's say Kings, Grizzlies, Magic or Pacers?
i remember hoping CP3 would make scoring opportunities so much easier for Vic...
its as if everything that happened with LMA asking for a trade back in whatever year it was 2018 or something like that, has now affected the organization.
Pop afterwards admitted of using LMA incorrectly and adjusted how he coached him. He seemed to have given him more leeway.
Perhaps they are afraid of scaring Wemby into wanting a trade so they are giving him the green light with whatever he wants to do. Trusting that he will eventually figure it out on his own because he's a smart player who wants to win.
I believe they are hoping that Wemby will soon realize, oh look, me shooting 8 threes a game and only making 1 is not a good thing for the team and we keep losing. Perhaps I should focus more on playing inside so that we can win games.
I do believe Wemby is extremely compe ive and will do everything he can to win...eventually.
pick and roll situations with CP3 would be good. But there has been numerous occasions where they PNR together but Vic doesnt run with Paul. He just stays back and expects the ball back for a long jumper. Dudes gotta run with him.
You mean the other way arorund...
Cp doesn't have the legs to penetrate anymore, he stays at the 3pt line 80% of the time
Paul is Wemby's cryptonite now?
I mean its obviously a problem but we're talking about 3 starters from last year being injured. That's not anyone failing anyone that's just bad luck.
Doesn't help that Vic only rolls about 10% of the time during PnRs. The rest of the time he's popping out for his 25 footers and CP3 is rightly saying f that tbh
Cp3 hasn't done it too frequently but theres been occasions where CP3 has the ball at the 3pt line, Wemby sets the screen and Paul attacks the basket. pauls and wembys defenders switch, causing the guard to be on Wemby.
Paul attacks and then ends up passing it back to Wemby due to the mismatch who stays either at the 3 or at the top of the paint. Whereas if he had just rolled with Paul it would likely be an easy dunk or easy floater.
Sean Elliott called him out on it a few times.
Let's be honest - it's only one starter you can point to as a potential excuse. Devin hasn't played yet with Wemby and it's fair to say that his presence might change some things.
But Wemby was already playing like a soft when Sochan got hurt, it's not like Sochan's injury is what caused the regression.
And Tre's injury isn't what's making Wemby play soft and honestly I'm not sure it's impact the team at all. I like Tre and think he's a serviceable backup... but his absence isn't what's making this team's offense sputter (I don't think Tre would do a better job than CP3 is doing... and the offense is still bad with CP3 on the court).
Last edited by scott; 11-08-2024 at 10:37 PM.
I think the problem is that wemby is adjusting to his pregnancy after he got smashed every single night now. The problem is he is trying to find out who the father is and the focus is ….. in 10 months time he’d be fine.
On another note, I don’t totally agree that Wembys problems lie with lack of shooting. Jokic and Giannis don’t have much shooting around them but they are doing fine. Sure the teams suck but they are still putting up fantastic individual numbers.
I’m of the opinion that it is primarily coaching issues that can’t design a functional offence around wemby, at which point the players (especially wemby) does not know what to do, so he chose the path of least resistance and just jack up shots. The movements of the players are unpredictable because no one knows who will do what next, and this creates an issue where everything goes on offence. Even without spacing from good shooters, and the spurs aren’t THAT bad of a shooting team, the players can still set screens, cut snd get open through continuous movement. That is clearly not the case now where the players mostly just stand around and wait for wemby to just jack up a three.
The second issue is that wemby really has to take it down low and make things happen when his shots are not falling. It is not a coincidence that his two good games this year starts off with him nailing threes early in the game. It opens up the options and he was able to just dominate after that, but he has to be aggressive and take the ball to the hole even when the shots aren’t falling. He can’t just sit around and wait.
Wemby is Wemby's cryptonite right now
Don't forget that all of them sat at the end of last season and Wemby kept dominating.
Well, here's the answer on accountability I guess. At this point, we all just need to hope he develops into Steph, because that's the way he's gonna play.
He doesn’t have to be Steph. 35-36% would make him a devastating weapon.
THAT’S
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AVERAGE
How do you play him with three guys that far out? Or Two? And if you can’t flood his immediate area, how do you stop him?
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