Atlanta Hawks 2025 Draft Pick Watch

[spurraider21]

It's really about dyson daniels, the guy is just a steals machine. also credit to trae for realising he's garbage and he should just be passing.

he won the EC defensive player of the month award. guys gonna be all-defense and deservedly so. such an on-ball menace. which is what the hawks that they were getting in dejounte lol

[spurraider21]

[Sugus]

You might have misunderstood me. I didn't claim that the Derrick White trade was good or bad. I only said that calling it good solely because we got Wemby later doesn't work. It implies that the trade would have been bad if we hadn't gotten Wemby. Good results only sometimes imply good decisions, not always.

The trade raised the Spurs' chances of getting Wemby by maybe 5-6.5% at most because even with Derrick they shouldn't have had too much trouble tanking their way into a bottom 7 record. Given how transformational Wemby is, I can totally see the argument that the trade was worth it under the assumption that the Spurs couldn't have tanked their way into a bottom 3 record with Derrick on the team.

No, I understood you just fine. I still disagree with what you're saying here.

Nobody's calling the White trade good because we got Wemby. It was good, solely and foremost, because it increased our odds of getting him significantly. The trade would still have been good if we hadn't gotten him, because we'd still have gotten a top-3 pick in a crucial rebuilding moment.

It's also really unknowable to what extent trading DW away improved the Spurs' odds, but I honestly think it's way more than 5-6%. The PG position is of utter importance to a team's floor, and White was a seasoned vet at that point, with clearly a lot more to give as he's shown in Boston. Trading only Dejounte away might've well paved the way for him to grab that usage and spotlight.


All in all, the old saying applies here "you can do everything right, and still lose". I don't think the White trade was good because we won -- I think it was good because it was the right thing to do given the situation.

[Seventyniner]

Nobody's calling the White trade good because we got Wemby.

Here is the original post I was pushing back against.

I will never Spurs fans that push this narrative. The Derrick White trade needed to happen for the Spurs to get Wemby. The moment we got Wemby, the trade became an unquestionable success.

Note the last sentence.

It was good, solely and foremost, because it increased our odds of getting him significantly. The trade would still have been good if we hadn't gotten him, because we'd still have gotten a top-3 pick in a crucial rebuilding moment.

It's also really unknowable to what extent trading DW away improved the Spurs' odds, but I honestly think it's way more than 5-6%. The PG position is of utter importance to a team's floor, and White was a seasoned vet at that point, with clearly a lot more to give as he's shown in Boston. Trading only Dejounte away might've well paved the way for him to grab that usage and spotlight.

I said a 5-6.5% improvement because a bottom 3 record has a 14% at the #1 pick while the 7th worst record has a 7.5% chance 6th worst has 9%. I think the Spurs could have still tanked their way into a bottom 7 record with Derrick.

Given just how transformational Wemby is, and the Spurs clearly knew that well in advance of the 2022-2023 season, I understand why what seems like a small improvement in odds (5-6.5%) is well worth losing out on keeping Derrick, assuming he would have been willing to stay with the Spurs long-term had they not traded him.

[spursparker9]

Lakers leading by 3. Mid way through 3Q

[TXstbobcat]

LeBron and the Lakers are going to us over by chocking in the 4th quarter against the Hawks

[spursparker9]

FTL. But please win this

[scott]

Trae game winning 3 to beat the Lakers for all the haters

[TXstbobcat]

gotta love it lol. Trae Young game winning 3 in OT to beat the Lakers.

and the hawks continue their run to the ECF ing up our draft pick along the way lol

[TXstbobcat]

this hawks draft pick thread and everything it stands for!

[mudyez]

It's stupid, but I still love the Lakers losing.

Maybe we will look back at this and celebrate, when getting a Draft steal at around #20, that becomes a multi time all star.

[spursparker9]

Ice Trae with 30 pts and 20 asts.

Should have traded for him

[onechance87]

Basketball gods hate us

[R. DeMurre]

Basketball gods hate us

They won the #1 pick with a 14% chance a little over a year ago.

[baseline bum]

No, I understood you just fine. I still disagree with what you're saying here.

Nobody's calling the White trade good because we got Wemby. It was good, solely and foremost, because it increased our odds of getting him significantly. The trade would still have been good if we hadn't gotten him, because we'd still have gotten a top-3 pick in a crucial rebuilding moment.

It's also really unknowable to what extent trading DW away improved the Spurs' odds, but I honestly think it's way more than 5-6%. The PG position is of utter importance to a team's floor, and White was a seasoned vet at that point, with clearly a lot more to give as he's shown in Boston. Trading only Dejounte away might've well paved the way for him to grab that usage and spotlight.


All in all, the old saying applies here "you can do everything right, and still lose". I don't think the White trade was good because we won -- I think it was good because it was the right thing to do given the situation.

I think the odds were like 50% at a top 4 pick, but yeah still worth it. Especially since it came out that Amen Thompson would have probably been #2 on their board had they not won the lottery, and thus they would have likely gotten him at any of picks 2 through 4.

[The Truth #6]

Make Atlanta Awful Again

[scott]

I think the odds were like 50% at a top 4 pick, but yeah still worth it. Especially since it came out that Amen Thompson would have probably been #2 on their board had they not won the lottery, and thus they would have likely gotten him at any of picks 2 through 4.

To the FO's credit, Amen has been really good this year. Looking like the third best player of that draft.

[baseline bum]

To the FO's credit, Amen has been really good this year. Looking like the third best player of that draft.

Wouldn't surprise me to see him better than Miller if we revisit in 2-3 years and I love what I have seen out of Miller.

[Mal]

Just use the pick on Ben Sharaf

[KingKev]

Boy was I wrong about ATL. I feel like we are going to come away from the 2025 draft with 12 and 20 and the next round of Sochan and Wesley.

[LeBowen]

To think people really believed Hawks would be even close to top5 odds and got triggered over any trade suggestion that involved their picks claiming they're gold.
As expected, Hawks will be in play-in range and we'll get a pick in 11-18 range. Which is fine, but to see it as an untradeable asset is hillarious.
They're young (no pun intended) and will finally be out of Capela/Nance contracts next summer. No way they drop into the lottery over the next few years considering how weak East is.

[KingKev]

To think people really believed Hawks would be even close to top5 odds and got triggered over any trade suggestion that involved their picks claiming they're gold.
As expected, Hawks will be in play-in range and we'll get a pick in 11-18 range. Which is fine, but to see it as an untradeable asset is hillarious.
They're young (no pun intended) and will finally be out of Capela/Nance contracts next summer. No way they drop into the lottery over the next few years considering how weak East is.

I’m not stupid you are!

[RC_Drunkford]

that 26 swap might be useless tbh

[spursparker9]

The 2025, 2026 swap and 2027 picks are losing value everyday

Should have traded those picks during the off season when people thought Hawks would suck

[MarCowMar]

The 2025, 2026 swap and 2027 picks are losing value everyday

Should have traded those picks during the off season when people thought Hawks would suck

Those picks will have a more traditional Spurs value now that Wemby and Castle are in place. We can consider role players, specialists, and seniors, rather than reaching for potential centerpieces.

The Atlanta 2025 was always unlikely to be high unless catastrophe struck their roster.