Spurs trade ideas

[CGD]

After the Christmas day game my interest in trading for Herb Jones from the Pelicans, has risen. The Spurs need a wing stopper. People say Sochan is a defensive stopper but he did nothing with Bridges yesterday. I would trade a first and two seconds for Herb. We will still have tons assets, for moves.

The Sochan hate is nuts on this board. Bridges was being checked by Vassell most of the game…. Looked like Sochan was checking OG mostly, and Brunson some.

[scott]

Outside of the Spurs, here are some players that I'd just like to see traded, to mix things up and add some more interest to the league:

• Zion. This one is pretty self-explanatory. What a waste of talent he's been for NOP, by his own laziness. The Pelicans have been a half decent team over the years essentially in spite of him. He's not played a single one of their playoff or play-in games. The league's least reliable talented player. With that said, I'd love to see a team like WAS, POR, UTA, TOR, CHA take a buy-low gamble on him. Kuzma and Jonas for Zion works financially and get NOP out of the tax. Adding Zion doesn't hurt WAS's tank this season, while Kuzma and Jonas gives NOP actual useful players and maybe that can entire BI to resign. Big question would be whether NOP wants to take the opportunity to tank this season. Also, Kuzma and BI (if resigned) create blockers to Trey Murphy and Herb minutes. Maybe you replace Kuzma with Poole?
• Jimmy Butler. For one, the Heat. After that, Jimmy is a prime time gamer and I'd like to see how he changes the NBA landscape this offseason by going somewhere else.
• Aaron Nesmith/Bennedict Mathurin/Jarace Walker/Obi Toppin/Ben Sheppard. No reason for IND to trade these guys, but these are young Pacers whom I like and just think are wasted on that hole franchse. Nesmith is who I'd love to upgrade Keldon with on the cheap if possible. All of these guys would be great fits here, but I don't see it happening. Hopefully at least one of them gets a shot elsewhere though.
• Zach Lavine and Vooch. On one hand, I don't want to see them traded because that means CHI is tanking and we may never get that pick. On the other hand, I think new homes for them would add some excitement to the league.
• Cam Johnson/DFS/Cam Thomas. Same situation as the Bulls... would just add some excitement to the existing playoff mix.
• Jak. I just want him to have a chance to play some playoff basketball. Free Poeltl!
• Queso Wallace. Won't happen because he's an important piece of OKC's le push, but I'd love to see him get a chance to be a lead guard somewhere.
• Any Blazer. They have some talented guys. I'm curious to see how any of them would do on a franchise that isn't a show.
• Jollins/Sexton/Clarkson. Useful vets who are trapped in purgatory.

[baseline bum]

Outside of the Spurs, here are some players that I'd just like to see traded, to mix things up and add some more interest to the league:

• Zion. This one is pretty self-explanatory. What a waste of talent he's been for NOP, by his own laziness. The Pelicans have been a half decent team over the years essentially in spite of him. He's not played a single one of their playoff or play-in games. The league's least reliable talented player. With that said, I'd love to see a team like WAS, POR, UTA, TOR, CHA take a buy-low gamble on him. Kuzma and Jonas for Zion works financially and get NOP out of the tax. Adding Zion doesn't hurt WAS's tank this season, while Kuzma and Jonas gives NOP actual useful players and maybe that can entire BI to resign. Big question would be whether NOP wants to take the opportunity to tank this season. Also, Kuzma and BI (if resigned) create blockers to Trey Murphy and Herb minutes. Maybe you replace Kuzma with Poole?

Man I wouldn't wish Zion on even the Lakers fanbase. We're so fortunate to have a franchise guy who loves the game and is compe ive as instead of a fatass who just wants to collect his check. Could you imagine how thrilled we would have been to win that draft lottery too? Feel sick for Pels fans getting jerked around like that by a guy who'd be the best player in the league and probably have an MVP or two and maybe even a ring if he gave a .

[scott]

Man I wouldn't wish Zion on even the Lakers fanbase. We're so fortunate to have a franchise guy who loves the game and is compe ive as instead of a fatass who just wants to collect his check. Could you imagine how thrilled we would have been to win that draft lottery too? Feel sick for Pels fans getting jerked around like that by a guy who'd be the best player in the league and probably have an MVP or two and maybe even a ring if he gave a .

Of all the teams in the Tank Zone, I actually kind of hope NOP gets Flagg, for this reason. Not as talented as Zion, but will be an infinitely better pro because he won't eat and his way through New Orleans. He'd be a pretty nice plug-and-play fit for what NOP would have been hoping for Zion to produce coming into this season.

That's also why I think the WAS fit works. WAS doesn't need Kuzma or Poole, and might even appreciate getting off their salary. They can essentially get a free-roll at Zion and the <10% chance that this acts as a wake-up call and the dude can have a retribution arc. I wouldn't envision any picks going either direction. WAS gets a free roll at a generational talent, NOP gets off that deal and useful players.

WAS could be fun with a Bilal/Harper/Zion/Sarr core (obviously this assumes they can land Harper in the lotto and Zion does in fact get his together. The 14% lotto odds to get Harper might be better than the odds on Zion )

[CGD]

On the Jakob point above, seeing how the spurs are using Jeremy I start to understand why Spurs may have seen him as the “perfect” center for Wemby to play with. Imagine dumping it down to Jakob with good low position instead of Jeremy (whose been good btw).

[baseline bum]

Of all the teams in the Tank Zone, I actually kind of hope NOP gets Flagg, for this reason. Not as talented as Zion, but will be an infinitely better pro because he won't eat and his way through New Orleans. He'd be a pretty nice plug-and-play fit for what NOP would have been hoping for Zion to produce coming into this season.

That's also why I think the WAS fit works. WAS doesn't need Kuzma or Poole, and might even appreciate getting off their salary. They can essentially get a free-roll at Zion and the <10% chance that this acts as a wake-up call and the dude can have a retribution arc. I wouldn't envision any picks going either direction. WAS gets a free roll at a generational talent, NOP gets off that deal and useful players.

WAS could be fun with a Bilal/Harper/Zion/Sarr core (obviously this assumes they can land Harper in the lotto and Zion does in fact get his together. The 14% lotto odds to get Harper might be better than the odds on Zion )

It's not even that high a reward scenario anymore with how much athleticism he had lost when he was in shape and healthy last year. Went from being a LeBron or Wemby level prospect to second star on a contender being his absolute ceiling now. Zion's the last guy I want on a young team too. He needs respected vets that'll kick his ass around for being lazy, like Moses Malone did for Barkley when he came in the league as a fatass. And I don't want my young guys being influenced by a guy like Zion who clearly doesn't give a . If I'm Washington I'm doing that trade to either cut Zion in the summer or see if he'll agree to a buyout this season.

[baseline bum]

On the Jakob point above, seeing how the spurs are using Jeremy I start to understand why Spurs may have seen him as the “perfect” center for Wemby to play with. Imagine dumping it down to Jakob with good low position instead of Jeremy (whose been good btw).

Sochan has been killing down low this year. I very much doubt Poeltl would be better.

[scott]

It's not even that high a reward scenario anymore with how much athleticism he had lost when he was in shape and healthy last year. Went from being a LeBron or Wemby level prospect to second star on a contender being his absolute ceiling now. Zion's the last guy I want on a young team too. He needs respected vets that'll kick his ass around for being lazy, like Moses Malone did for Barkley when he came in the league as a fatass. And I don't want my young guys being influenced by a guy like Zion who clearly doesn't give a . If I'm Washington I'm doing that trade to either cut Zion in the summer or see if he'll agree to a buyout this season.

Well that's why I want him on WAS and not SAS I don't GAF what happens to the Bullettes, but would be very entertained by a Zion redemption story.

[baseline bum]

Well that's why I want him on WAS and not SAS I don't GAF what happens to the Bullettes, but would be very entertained by a Zion redemption story.

You just want to see the world burn don't you?

[jjspur]

Vooch for Zollins and Branham. Not many people like Vooch, but fans here dislike Zollins and Branham even more. The salaries match as well.

Positives: Vooch is having a halfway decent year. His best defense is unfortunately no defense, but you can say that about Branham and sometimes Collins.
Its a 2 for one, opening up a slot somewhere in the spurs lineup.
His contract is only this year and next year same as Zollins and Branham.
We say adios to two players that have been disappointments with little chance for real improvement.
I've read that Vooch can be had for 2nd rounders.

Negatives All three players have big big holes in their game some bigger than others.
If the spurs do this we may not get their draft pick this year- must be the DeRozen curse or something.

Why do we do it ? Not the best trade but its doable. Its an upgrade... a small upgrade . If we do this it lets the fans know that the team is still trying to improve and make progress & not just through the draft. I'd even throw in a 2032 2nd round draft pick to seal the deal.

[CGD]

I'd totally forgotten that Tre Jones was expiring THIS summer (had it in my mind it was the next). Wonder if they try to flip him this trade deadline to avoid letting him walk for nothing? Might be the only realistic move of all those listed in here, then again i have no ideal what his market is right now.

[scott]

I'd totally forgotten that Tre Jones was expiring THIS summer (had it in my mind it was the next). Wonder if they try to flip him this trade deadline to avoid letting him walk for nothing? Might be the only realistic move of all those listed in here, then again i have no ideal what his market is right now.

Tre's expiring would be really useful in trying to pick up someone from a tanking team. For example, Tre for Jonas works straight up and it would allow WAS to avoid two additional years of salary. An SRP might all it takes to sweeten the pot for WAS unless they really like Jonas as a Sarr mentor.

With that said, I could definitely see the Spurs resigning Tre on a 2/12 or 3/16 type deal. Just gets around here, but he serves his purpose decently and would be a great as a backup to a primary 3-man rotation (for example, if you somehow had Fox/Castle/Vassell are your 3 guards, Tre would be perfect to pick up the additional minutes when available).

[spurraider21]

Tre's expiring would be really useful in trying to pick up someone from a tanking team. For example, Tre for Jonas works straight up and it would allow WAS to avoid two additional years of salary. An SRP might all it takes to sweeten the pot for WAS unless they really like Jonas as a Sarr mentor.

With that said, I could definitely see the Spurs resigning Tre on a 2/12 or 3/16 type deal. Just gets around here, but he serves his purpose decently and would be a great as a backup to a primary 3-man rotation (for example, if you somehow had Fox/Castle/Vassell are your 3 guards, Tre would be perfect to pick up the additional minutes when available).

imo it kinda depends on what their expectations are with Paul. is he going to come back for another year? if so, Tre is obviously expendable. if they have had some discussions with paul and its clear this is at best a 1 year relationship, then i could see them waiting that out and potentially re-signing Tre to a small deal

[scott]

imo it kinda depends on what their expectations are with Paul. is he going to come back for another year? if so, Tre is obviously expendable. if they have had some discussions with paul and its clear this is at best a 1 year relationship, then i could see them waiting that out and potentially re-signing Tre to a small deal

Yeah, I think it also depends on how they view the draft. Maybe the like multiple prospects in the range and think Traore (whom I think there is a strong chance will not enter this draft) or Fland will be there and they like them, they could see either one of those guys as the third wheel in a Castle/Vassell 3-man primary rotation.

Or if they went a pure SG route with the draft or FA, and CP3 is out of the picture, then Tre would make sense on a small deal as the primary backup.

OR... if CP3 does come back then it could be more of the same as this year, with Tre as the 4th in a CP3/Vassell/Castle rotation.

I know that you and I are aligned in that hopefully the future won't include Vassell, but I definitely see a strong possibility where they keep him past him being ripe, much like Keldon.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, I think it also depends on how they view the draft. Maybe the like multiple prospects in the range and think Traore (whom I think there is a strong chance will not enter this draft) or Fland will be there and they like them, they could see either one of those guys as the third wheel in a Castle/Vassell 3-man primary rotation.

Or if they went a pure SG route with the draft or FA, and CP3 is out of the picture, then Tre would make sense on a small deal as the primary backup.

OR... if CP3 does come back then it could be more of the same as this year, with Tre as the 4th in a CP3/Vassell/Castle rotation.

I know that you and I are aligned in that hopefully the future won't include Vassell, but I definitely see a strong possibility where they keep him past him being ripe, much like Keldon.

im not fully "out" on vassell yet, but i no longer see him as untouchable and as a certain part of the future core alongside vic. he can still play up to those standards... just hasnt been there this year at all

if a fox-tier player is available, yeah im including devin. markkanen though... probably not

[HemisfairArena]

As long as Spurs fans keep wishing for the tank and losing,,,,Wemby's gone when his 4 years are up,,,,,bank on it,,,,LMAO. Teams like Boston,,,,with Tatum and Brown,,,,New York,,,,,LA,,,,,all will show up and shed salary for Wemby and have a way better chance at winning than the Spurs with their,,,,oh I hope the Hawks pick pans out,,,,,,,,,,If the Spurs dont make the playoffs in Wemby's first 4 years,,,,,hes gone,,,,,

[ambchang]

I’m in the minority but I absolutely do not mind having Zion on the spurs. He could be redeemed and if he ever becomes healthy can be a 20/6/5 guy. Problem is
A) he is lazy out of shape and seems to have lost the love for the game
B) his athleticism has taken a notable step back, but he’s still in the upper echelon of the league athletically
C) he can’t shoot, hi am with sochan and castle won’t work. And I’m very hesitant to get rid of sochan (can consider) for castle (no way) for him.

Despite the fall, Zion would still command a pretty penny. Not one of those Malaki, zollins Charlotte first type of deal, we are taking at least 2 prospects (sochan and Vassell) and two decent firsts for him, at which point I’d balk.

[spurraider21]

i dont see the vision of Cam Johnson being the starting 4. we saw just how bad the rebounding got when Sochan was out. and Cam doesnt provide any interior defense.

[LeBowen]

I’m in the minority but I absolutely do not mind having Zion on the spurs. He could be redeemed and if he ever becomes healthy can be a 20/6/5 guy. Problem is
A) he is lazy out of shape and seems to have lost the love for the game
B) his athleticism has taken a notable step back, but he’s still in the upper echelon of the league athletically
C) he can’t shoot, hi am with sochan and castle won’t work. And I’m very hesitant to get rid of sochan (can consider) for castle (no way) for him.

Despite the fall, Zion would still command a pretty penny. Not one of those Malaki, zollins Charlotte first type of deal, we are taking at least 2 prospects (sochan and Vassell) and two decent firsts for him, at which point I’d balk.

• Last season, Williamson needed to miss fewer than 23 games to avoid his 2025-26, 2026-27 and 2027-28 salaries becoming non-guaranteed. He missed 53 games.
• If Williamson passes six "weigh-in-checkpoints" during the 2024-25 season -- to pass, his body fat percentage and weight must add up to no more than 295 (i.e. if he weighs in at 285 pounds, he cannot exceed 10% body fat ) -- then 20% of his 2025-26 salary will become guaranteed.
• If he plays in at least 41 games in 2024-25, another 40% of his 2025-26 salary will become guaranteed. If he plays in at least 51 games, another 20% would be guaranteed on top of that. If he plays in at least 61 games (and doesn't violate the weight clause), then his entire 2025-26 salary will be guaranteed.
• The above markers are the same for the years that follow. In other words, by being available and passing the weight check-ins, he can guarantee his salary for the next season.
• If Williamson has significant issues with his surgically repaired fifth metatarsal in his right foot (i.e. "a fracture or a stress injury to that bone or the healed callus" or "what the contract calls a 'hardware failure' related to the previous injury," per The Athletic) this season, then half of his 2024-25 salary will become non-guaranteed.

He wouldn't command anything, they're probably going to cut his fat ass and deservedly so.
He's just a player in theory. Even when he was healthy he was a horrible defender other than those weak side blocks which we have no need for and he's a non-shooter.

If they're interested in trading him before the deadline, I'd give them Keldon+Collins+SRPs and then give Zion a trial until the end of the season.
If he doesn't have a complete at ude change, I'd just cut him and clear cap space this summer.

[scott]

I’m in the minority but I absolutely do not mind having Zion on the spurs. He could be redeemed and if he ever becomes healthy can be a 20/6/5 guy. Problem is
A) he is lazy out of shape and seems to have lost the love for the game
B) his athleticism has taken a notable step back, but he’s still in the upper echelon of the league athletically
C) he can’t shoot, hi am with sochan and castle won’t work. And I’m very hesitant to get rid of sochan (can consider) for castle (no way) for him.

Despite the fall, Zion would still command a pretty penny. Not one of those Malaki, zollins Charlotte first type of deal, we are taking at least 2 prospects (sochan and Vassell) and two decent firsts for him, at which point I’d balk.

I don't see anyone giving up this kind of haul for Zion.

Here's his recent history:

2021-22: injured, misses entire season (including play-in and playoffs)
2022-23: injured, misses play-in game
2023-24: plays one play-in game, drops 40. Injured, misses next play-in game and subsequent playoff series
2024-25: injured, team has second worst record in the league

He's just too unreliable. Would probably fetch less of a return that Nephew at this point, tbh

[Leetonidas]

After the Christmas day game my interest in trading for Herb Jones from the Pelicans, has risen. The Spurs need a wing stopper. People say Sochan is a defensive stopper but he did nothing with Bridges yesterday. I would trade a first and two seconds for Herb. We will still have tons assets, for moves.

Bridges had one of those games that happen every now and then when someone goes nuclear and can't be stopped no matter what you throw at him. Sochan isn't a bad defender just because bridges happened to have the game of his life

[Leetonidas]

As long as Spurs fans keep wishing for the tank and losing,,,,Wemby's gone when his 4 years are up,,,,,bank on it,,,,LMAO. Teams like Boston,,,,with Tatum and Brown,,,,New York,,,,,LA,,,,,all will show up and shed salary for Wemby and have a way better chance at winning than the Spurs with their,,,,oh I hope the Hawks pick pans out,,,,,,,,,,If the Spurs dont make the playoffs in Wemby's first 4 years,,,,,hes gone,,,,,

Go back to the political forum and play circle jerk with Thread, you're out of your element trying to discuss basketball

[ambchang]

He wouldn't command anything, they're probably going to cut his fat ass and deservedly so.
He's just a player in theory. Even when he was healthy he was a horrible defender other than those weak side blocks which we have no need for and he's a non-shooter.

If they're interested in trading him before the deadline, I'd give them Keldon+Collins+SRPs and then give Zion a trial until the end of the season.
If he doesn't have a complete at ude change, I'd just cut him and clear cap space this summer.

I don't see anyone giving up this kind of haul for Zion.

Here's his recent history:

2021-22: injured, misses entire season (including play-in and playoffs)
2022-23: injured, misses play-in game
2023-24: plays one play-in game, drops 40. Injured, misses next play-in game and subsequent playoff series
2024-25: injured, team has second worst record in the league

He's just too unreliable. Would probably fetch less of a return that Nephew at this point, tbh

I would be interested if the price is low, if it’s one of those Malaki zollins and the Charlotte first it’d be a no brainer. Even if Zion doesn’t work out we get rid of some spots and shed some salary.

As broken as Ben Simmons was he still got James harden back. Also Simmons and Kawhi just refused to play for months so that trade value was just torpedoed. Zion would still play he’s just unmotivated and really out of shape. I agree the worse part to fix is the head and Zion seems to be checked out but if the price is low enough I’d definitely kick the tires a bit.

[scott]

Bye, losers.

[timtonymanu]

but culture and continuity. Do those players you guys want impact winning?