President Elect Musk and his VP Vivek have turned MAGA against Indians

[z0sa]

You only have to train the U.S. based employee once, and considering these are U.S. born U.S. Citizens with college degrees, chances are they are smart enough to learn at a >97% rate. And will have far better social skills, no language/accent barrier etc and actually be cultural fits in US work settings. Training isn't free, you have paid training, generally as part of their salary and employment, but it's a one-time thing and then you're rewarded with skilled, relatively loyal employees for life as opposed to India Indians who have zero loyalty and are always out with their resumes online looking for their next higher paid position on the phone with recruiters every damn lunch or bathroom break.

Whereas, you have to keep paying each year for H1b sponsorship renewals, and it's typically $6000-10,000 depending on the case when you add up all the fees, looking at some basic USCIS data googling it. Some of the smaller fees don't have to be duplicated each year per employee/contractor but you have to pay the $4,000 processing fee annually plus the roughly $2,000 expedited fee if you don't want there to be an employment gap.

Your Republicans won't pay for that. They want serfs who won't unionize or ask for market rates. It's very, very simple - not surprised you aren't getting it.

[ElNono]

You only have to train the U.S. based employee once, and considering these are U.S. born U.S. Citizens with college degrees, chances are they are smart enough to learn at a >97% rate. And will have far better social skills, no language/accent barrier etc and actually be cultural fits in US work settings. Training isn't free, you have paid training, generally as part of their salary and employment, but it's a one-time thing and then you're rewarded with skilled, relatively loyal employees for life as opposed to India Indians who have zero loyalty and are always out with their resumes online looking for their next higher paid position on the phone with recruiters every damn lunch or bathroom break.

Whereas, you have to keep paying each year for H1b sponsorship renewals, and it's typically $6000-10,000 depending on the case when you add up all the fees, looking at some basic USCIS data googling it. Some of the smaller fees don't have to be duplicated each year per employee/contractor but you have to pay the $4,000 processing fee annually plus the roughly $2,000 expedited fee if you don't want there to be an employment gap.

An H1B visa lasts for 5 years, and can be extended one time for a total of 10 years.
While on a H1B visa, the employee can only work for the visa sponsor, and if employment is terminated, the visa automatically expires and the employee must return to his/her country.

This gives tremendous leverage to the employer, since it can basically end employment and get rid of the employee at any time. The employee is also unable to shop for better work opportunities. Given that the sponsor is also likely to be the company that eventually would request a green card sponsorship (unless the employee marries a US citizen, etc), there’s an additional leverage there.

And we’re talking exceptionally talented people in general. These are the people that in an open, compe ive job market would be able to shop for better positions (like exceptionally talented Americans do). So the visa works out as an anti-poaching scheme (which are illegal for regular employees in Silicon Valley), and also end up depressing salaries, as what they need to be paid is above the median salary for the position, but being exceptional talent would get paid a lot more on an open market (which they normally do if they get a citizenship).

There has also been abuses of this system. Indian consulting firms like Tata are known for this. They hire H1B talent and then subcontract them to other companies. That means they don’t need to pay the average salary for a Google or Microsoft and they also don’t have to offer the nice benefits they offer, while effectively working for them. Furthermore this breaks the spirit of the visa itself that if the employee is not good enough to work for them, it needs to go back.
I think they were under investigation for that, but don’t know if anything ever happened.

[Millennial_Messiah]

While on a H1B visa, the employee can only work for the visa sponsor, and if employment is terminated, the visa automatically expires and the employee must return to his/her country.

Yet, they simultaneously end up working second and third, etc, jobs anyway. This problem has been magnified since work from home has become more normal than not, most especially during Covid. But there are a ton of loopholes. They definitely don't follow the rules all or even half of the time. The USCIS is slow as molasses at actually enforcing the law, kind of like California vote counting standards.

[aside: Ron DeSantis should be appointed as vote counting czar. Every state, looking at you in the western half of the country, should count as efficiently as Florida and Texas. No excuses.]

This gives tremendous leverage to the employer, since it can basically end employment and get rid of the employee at any time. The employee is also unable to shop for better work opportunities. Given that the sponsor is also likely to be the company that eventually would request a green card sponsorship

... "At will" employment applies to almost any private-sector job in the US, including for US Citizen employees.

Every dot head on an H1b shops around for other work opportunities. I've caught scores of them red handed. Of course since it's not my business and I don't want to get in trouble, I never snitched on them. But maybe I should have...

Also, there's no reason that employers should be allowed to apply for green cards for work immigrants to live in the USA permanently. That's extremely globalist...

(unless the employee marries a US citizen)

This is a loathsome caveat loophole that needs to be eliminated in 2025 along with the birthright citizenship. The I-130, I-485s et al must be eliminated. If a US Citizen really wants to marry a turd world citizen instead of marrying American then they should go move to that country themselves, like Tom Hanks in Splash, or the main character in Avatar. Discourage foreign replacement, immigration fraud, and loathsome race mixing.

And we’re talking exceptionally talented people in general. These are the people that in an open, compe ive job market would be able to shop for better positions (like exceptionally talented Americans do)

Untrue. Exceptionally talented people come on O1 visas, and typically from other first-world nations like the UK, Canada, Australia, the EU, and occasionally somewhere like Japan, where c-level executives and the like are typically based out of.

Your average Java or Python developer from India on a H1b visa is NOT "exceptionally talented" nor are they novel, unusual, hard to find, or hard to replace with an underemployed US Citizen with a bachelor's degree in a non-STEM major with 3-6 weeks of solid training.

There has also been abuses of this system. Indian consulting firms like Tata are known for this

I would know. I have a decent stack of W2s to show for from those companies, including but not limited to Tata.

They hire H1B talent and then subcontract them to other companies.

I would know. That's literally all they do. That's literally their entire business. Less than 1% of their employees, not counting those on "bench", actually work internally for the company. I say tariff and tax the crap out of them and their end clients, ranging from big banks to big tech, enough to fund social security for another century.

That means they don’t need to pay the average salary for a Google or Microsoft and they also don’t have to offer the nice benefits they offer, while effectively working for them. Furthermore this breaks the spirit of the visa itself that if the employee is not good enough to work for them, it needs to go back.
I think they were under investigation for that, but don’t know if anything ever happened.

The salary and even the benefits, depending on the firm, are more comparable than you think, and employ to all FTEs including H1b workers. For instance, US-based employers have offered stingier and stingier health insurance plans since the abomination that was Obamacare passed, and many of the Indian IT consulting firms have become very compe ive in this department, with one such Indian IT consultancy company, Hexaware Technologies Limited (a firm I was employed with from July to November of 2020) which mostly contracts-out H1b workers to U.S. Government-affiliated agencies and firms such as Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, etc. actually differentiates themselves in the market by offering top-of-the-line premium Aetna POS Choice II health insurance plans with a minimal deductible and maximum out-of-pocket at $1,000 or less to the employee, for minimal bites out of the employee's paycheck.

I think they were under investigation for that, but don’t know if anything ever happened.

Unlikely. It's hard to sue a firm tucked away in a whole other country and a country that doesn't have many formal business and/or trade alliances with the USA, such as Canada, Australia or an EU nation, etc. Their rupees aren't but when they make as many U.S. dollars as they do and convert them back to rupees in their hole country, they can stack far enough rupees to hire India's finest attorneys and lobbyists in India to keep the U.S. law at bay.

The best case scenario is they go away or get taxed and tariffed so hard that they're essentially forced to go away and that U.S. companies from smaller firms to big banks, big tech and government agencies, are required to pay a 40% surtax / tariff on every H1b visa job occupied position that can legally be filled with a U.S. Citizen.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Your Republicans won't pay for that. They want serfs who won't unionize or ask for market rates. It's very, very simple - not surprised you aren't getting it.

Unionization of tech jobs and the tech industry would be excellent.

You'd actually cap the market and set an artificial price ceiling that would only go up slowly with inflation; and companies wouldn't be forced to overpay but if they're also faced with a 40% tariff for any employment positions that are filled with immigrant visa workers, they wouldn't be allowed to underpay either, because naturally US Citizens rightfully demand a fair salary for a solid career job while H1b workers would undercut only for the sniveling chance at a green card for them and their vegan curry-guzzling, poop-eating, shower-in-sewage-every-other-year families.

Also, it would solve a lot of the problem of U.S. Citizens with underskilled (but trainable) degrees in non-(B)STEM fields and crippling student loan debt ing and whining about their jobs at IHOP and Starbucks not paying a "fair living wage" (THOSE JOBS WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE LONG TERM CAREERS YOU MORONS, THOSE JOBS WERE MEANT FOR SCHOOL AGE KIDS TO WORK PART TIME TO EARN A NEW PAIR OF SHOES AND LEARN HARD WORK!!) because they'd be the ones earning the money, able to pay off their student loans, who would be replacing the H1b visa tech programmers and other employees that would be in turn kicked out of the country forever. No more U.S. employment dollars should ever become rupees and go to ass foreign countries ever again.

#ToughOnIndia

I also believe all employed U.S. Citizens should be en led to a $2,000 max-out-of-pocket-per-year health insurance plan if they're paying federal income taxes. Screw the health insurance companies and Obamacare both. They can go eat a bag of asbestos.

In short, Elon Musk, Ramaslimy, Vance's disgusting wife and kids et al. can go kick rocks and pound sand. Thanks for the election donations (but you sure the bed down ballot!), globalist mastermind, but, it is you who should be tariffed to and/or deported.

[Winehole23]

what did Vance's wife and kids do?

[Winehole23]

2016-7 H1-B stats

tl;dr

~75% of H1-B visas are issued to Indians, about ~10% to Chinese.

I guess they don't have "suitable" tech talent in Europe.

H-1B Visa Statistics

[ElNono]

Untrue. Exceptionally talented people come on O1 visas, and typically from other first-world nations like the UK, Canada, Australia, the EU, and occasionally somewhere like Japan, where c-level executives and the like are typically based out of.

Your average Java or Python developer from India on a H1b visa is NOT "exceptionally talented" nor are they novel, unusual, hard to find, or hard to replace with an underemployed US Citizen with a bachelor's degree in a non-STEM major with 3-6 weeks of solid training.

O1 visas are for people with recognized international acclaim. This is the visa normally used by renowned foreign actors, athletes, etc. it’s a different target. H1B don’t have that requirement as they’re targeted toward filling the employment gap in areas where local talent is not available.

As far as talent, there’s absolutely exceptionally talented people that came with H1Bs, especially during the 90’s dotcom boom. Again, I know the system has now been abused and turned upside down, so not sure if that’s no longer the case.

For people asking about why largely no Europeans, the main reason is that most large corps have European offices and an internal transfer visa (L1) is simply more efficient for them, as there are no caps or lottery. Not to mention talent is really looking for an improved quality of life, something that Europeans already largely have, that’s why H1Bs tend to go to third world countries.

But this is where the Vivek cultural bull comes into play. He wants the workaholic slave python programmer. That just doesn’t work out in countries with high standards of living.

[SnakeBoy]

Trump bends the knee to President Elon

Resolved

[GAustex]

The more info coming out on this program the smellier it gets

The whole thing needs to be tightened up and hiring Americans should be first encouraged

Donald and his business butt buddies need to get their act together

[ChumpDumper]

Resolved

Did you flip-flop in line with your Trump?

[ChumpDumper]

The more info coming out on this program the smellier it gets

The whole thing needs to be tightened up and hiring Americans should be first encouraged

Donald and his business butt buddies need to get their act together

They did get their act together to screw American workers.

[GAustex]

Ain’t started yet
We will see

[ChumpDumper]

Ain’t started yet
We will see

Trump told you what Musk told him to do: screw the American worker.

[SnakeBoy]

Trump told you what Musk told him to do: screw the American worker.

Americans are getting screwed by foreign workers? Is that the new Democrat stance?

[Thread]

Americans are getting screwed by foreign workers? Is that the new Democrat stance?

...that and standing over that mudhole that Trump stomped in Kamala's ass.

[Winehole23]

Telsa’s filings illustrate the company’s increasing demand for highly skilled talent. In FY 2024, Tesla had 742 approved H-1B pe ions for initial employment, more than double its total of 328 in FY 2023 and 337 in FY 2022. It came in 16th among employers for approvals of H-1B pe ions for initial employment in FY 2024 after never cracking the top 25. The company’s demand for talent likely exceeded these annual totals, but Congress has set a yearly limit on H-1B pe ions that employers have exhausted for the past two decades.

Tesla Emerges Among Top Employers Of H-1B Visa Holders

[z0sa]

Tesla Emerges Among Top Employers Of H-1B Visa Holders

Are you surprised?

[ChumpDumper]

Americans are getting screwed by foreign workers? Is that the new Democrat stance?

It's what Elon demands of Trump. This is your stance because you're being told to take it.

And you're going to take it like a .

[Winehole23]

Are you surprised?

not at all.

the private interest of billionaires is obviously the weathervane of the common good.

[daslicer]

I've been on the record ing and moaning about curry guzzling dot headed IT Indians and H1b Visa's since at least 2014, 2015. They're taking our jobs, they're taking our money, they're taking our opportunities, they're taking our women, they're stinking up our offices and our toilets..... Will Hunting and others can confirm

I have a hard time believing that. Did some Indian guy take your woman and is that the reason why you are upset and against all of them?

[Millennial_Messiah]

I have a hard time believing that. Did some Indian guy take your woman and is that the reason why you are upset and against all of them?

I mean, no, they typically don't, but it's a good rhetoric point to say that, like "they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs" type of thing. There was one H1b guy Bhavesh Patel who took a white girl the beginning of Covid in spring 2020, Amanda in Irving TX I "dated" a couple times (not really much beyond that though) and it seemed they were getting married after a few months so he could get his green card, but that's not a common scenario.

I do think it raises questions on whether we should eliminate the marriage green card loophole/application and I believe absolutely. U.S. Citizenship and even permanent residency in our over-full country should be regarded as very sacrosanct and thus Immigrants should not be allowed to sleep their way into a privileged situation. I also believe it's overdue time to get rid of the "married filing jointly" tax status and require each individual to file separately, especially since marriages are only a thing for a small part of the population relative to historically and now gay and trans marriage is legal, etc.

[Winehole23]

lol sacrosanct

[Winehole23]

you don't have to get all pious about keeping the country free of strangers

[Mark Celibate]

I've been on the record ing and moaning about curry guzzling dot headed IT Indians and H1b Visa's since at least 2014, 2015. They're taking our jobs, they're taking our money, they're taking our opportunities, they're taking our women, they're stinking up our offices and our toilets..... Will Hunting and others can confirm


It was an Obama problem that Trump failed to fix from 2017-19 and it arguably got worse during the plandemic, but at some point in 2022-ish the tide shifted and companies realized, hey, if IT work can be done remotely, why not just keep them working remote from -ass India and pay them 10 cents to the dollar in rupees instead of bringing them physically onshore, sponsoring their visas here and paying them >$100k a year?


I'm on the side of MAGA, Trill Clinton, but I've never been on the record as saying "blacks or Mexicans are stealing our jobs". The only jobs these lower-education demographics "take" are the lower-paying, service-level, hands-on type of jobs that the ordinary white American, especially those with some college or a college degree, would never work in a million years.



No, we don't.



For the fraction of the price of an H1b or similar visa sponsorship, they can just train already college-educated U.S. Citizens who are underemployed, may not have the right college major or whatever but they are U.S. Citizens born in the USA, instead of importing the turd world and turd world ass culture, and HIRE AMERICAN ONLY. America First, mother er. Americans First. Trump needs to do this in Q1 2025 at the latest.

Impose domestic tariffs on tech consultancy companies like the Tata Consultancy Services and Infosys type companies from -ass India operating in the USA, and impose a 40% sur-tax on companies hiring from abroad, H1b or otherwise. Each individual imported employee shall cost the company in additional taxes, which will eventually force them to stop. Hire college-educated, underemployed U.S. Citizens instead, and ing train them to code, analyze, learn technologies like Java, Jira and DataBricks, be a scrum master, project manager, business analyst, whatever need be. Install tax breaks and benefits for U.S. companies operating in the U.S. who strictly and solely hire U.S. Citizens to work U.S. taxable jobs paying $25 an hour/$40k per year or more. That shall do it. Tough on China is not enough. We need to be #ToughOnIndia to be truly nationalist, populist, America First.

Other than the ocassional genius, Jeets are pretty limited in terms of abstract thinking. They're pretty laborious if somebody spoonfeeds them a checklist on exactly what to do, but they'll never innovate sh!t or lead a major project to completion on their own. So you can hand them a low risk Junior level engineering job that pays $60k-$90k and still get ahead by underpaying them since the business impact is relatively low when they inevitably f*ck up, since the token overworked white guy will just clean up their mistakes. If you're a talented white guy who's high up on the chain in an architect or principal level role, you are probably still safe for the most part; but you're always going to feel the target on your back since the higher ups are chomping at the bit to replace you the first chance they can get.

I've seen firsthand, tech companies where the directors take regular/quarterly trips to India to see how quick the offshore team is learning and once they feel they're at a certain level, they layoff the onshore team. The people who are screwed the most tbh are Gen Z. The entry level IT jobs at Fortune 500 are pretty much all going to Jeet at this point anyway. Like baseline bum said, there's less and less Americans caring about STEM degrees because what's the point anymore? We're already oversaturated with H1Bs anyway.

[DMX7]

Trump bends the knee to President Elon

I don't care for Trump, but the way those statements are worded make it so they don't necessarily contradict each other. Ending "abuse" and like the program in general are not contradictions.