Spurs trade ideas

[scott]

Why trade for DFS when Harrison and Julian are doing the job just fine? They may be individually better, and DFS is already 31.

Maybe you've heard of a guy on our team named Keldon Johnson?

[CGD]

Celtics as a team will keep paying the tax and that roster will keep competing.
Players and fans don't care who pays it as long as it's paid. And it will be paid for sure.

Of course players and fans don’t care, lol. The money’d people do. Case in point: Jerry Jones this season, and the product he put out precisely for cost reason.

[LeBowen]

Of course players and fans don’t care, lol. The money’d people do. Case in point: Jerry Jones this season, and the product he put out precisely for cost reason.

There are two types of owners. Those who want to make money off a team and don't really care about competing and those who are way too rich to care and use sports teams for measuring.
Celtics will be bought by someone from the second group, noone who's about making profit will be interested.

[Frenchfred]

Define "fun".

a full infirmary apparently.

[scott]

Tbh, if their plan is to not tank after this season, Keldon and Collins are two pieces they could think are maybe useful.

Assuming they get rid of Zion, Ingram and CJ, their rotation would look something like:
DJ/Hawkins/Murphy/Herb/Missi, with Alvarado as 6th man and no reliable bench pieces.
Keldon can be the energy guy off the bench and they don't have a backup big.

If we could get rid of both those contracts and take a flyer on Ingram for like 4 or 5 SRPs, I don't see a reason why not because we have 18 SRPs, probably 20 because CHA FRP won't convey.
Collins will be an expiring next season, easy to move if they want to and as I said they need a wing off the bench.

As for Ingram, I really don't like or rate him, but he certainly has the talent and if Spurs could get him to improve his mindset, who knows? If they can't, we got ourselves $35M cap space.

I know NOP does stupid stuff... but I don't think they are THAT stupid.

[Mr. Body]

Maybe you've heard of a guy on our team named Keldon Johnson?

What about him.

[CGD]

There are two types of owners. Those who want to make money off a team and don't really care about competing and those who are way too rich to care and use sports teams for measuring.
Celtics will be bought by someone from the second group, noone who's about making profit will be interested.

Bezos or bust for them then!

I’m skeptical as that a new group, no matter how rich, will be willingly come in with the expectation of losing money out the gate. Guess we’ll see.

[LeBowen]

Bezos or bust for them then!

I’m skeptical as that a new group, no matter how rich, will be willingly come in with the expectation of losing money out the gate. Guess we’ll see.

Celtics are one of the most desireable sports teams in the world you can buy.
People like Ishbia or Ballmer don't care about losses, even in billions.
Owning the Celtics is really good for your status if you're among the richest.

[scott]

Celtics are one of the most desireable sports teams in the world you can buy.
People like Ishbia or Ballmer don't care about losses, even in billions.
Owning the Celtics is really good for your status if you're among the richest.

A more important point is that the value of owning these teams doesn't come from the annual cash flows or profit/loss generated while you own them, but the appreciation of the franchise from when you buy to when you sell.

[CGD]

A more important point is that the value of owning these teams doesn't come from the annual cash flows or profit/loss generated while you own them, but the appreciation of the franchise from when you buy to when you sell.

I mean Bezos did buy the WashPo, and that’s basically a tax write off at this point.

[scott]

I mean Bezos did buy the WashPo, and that’s basically a tax write off at this point.

I've purposely avoided diving into it, but seems like some of these media (both new and old) acquisitions are about the political influence that comes with them more than anything else?

[ginobilized]

Depending on how you define micro-move, I think this is the right approach anyway. Upgrade the periphery of the 10-man rotation and see what this team can do. We're a play-in contender with the guys we have, I'd just do some "micro-moves" (I've suggested Jonas and Nesmith if those meet the definition) and see where that takes us. Then prepare to be extremely aggressive in the offeseason (before the draft especially, since some of those trade assets are coming due).

By "micro-move" I mean Tony Massenburg-ish from back in the day. 9-11th man addition while getting rid of a 10th-15th man, if anyone. I'd rate Nesmith and Jonas as well beyond a "micro-move." Paul Reed or Jeremiah Robinson Earl would be what I call Spursian "micro-moves."

[scott]

By "micro-move" I mean Tony Massenburg-ish from back in the day. 9-11th man addition while getting rid of a 10th-15th man, if anyone. I'd rate Nesmith and Jonas as well beyond a "micro-move." Paul Reed or Jeremiah Robinson Earl would be what I call Spursian "micro-moves."

Gotcha. Makes sense. I'm hoping for more of the Antoine Carr/JR Reid/Charles Smith type of move. Minor in the grand scheme of things, but impactful to us at the time (but without the FRPs except for maybe Nesmith).

[CGD]

I've purposely avoided diving into it, but seems like some of these media (both new and old) acquisitions are about the political influence that comes with them more than anything else?

Given recent events surrounding Bezos, WashPos endorsement saga, and timing of lobbying for government space contracts, it’s hard to avoid that conclusion… But yes, probably best to avoid that can of worms here.

[RC_Drunkford]

If NOP is having a fire sale, why would they unload an expiring so that they can add multiple years of Keldon and Collins salary in exchange for a non-material pick?

if they having a fire sale, bring DJ back

[scott]

The thing is, NOP has no reason to have a fire sale. They’re already the worst team in the league, have BI expiring and Zion non-guaranteed. They just need to cut a little bit of salary (around $3MM IIRC) to avoid the tax. My guess is that they’ll move one of BI, Zion or CJ. If I were them, I’d probably try to move all three though they probably like CJ as a locker room presence.

[CGD]

I think they’ll just wait until the summer. Maybe the hope was Keldon, Tre or Zach would entice a playoff team looking for deep bench help (DFS), but those guys likely haven’t really shown enough this season.

[ambchang]

I don't think many Spurs fans realized just how bad the Spurs are...until CP3 came in and turned the team into something worth watching again. One 39 yr old short PG, showed up just about everyone else on the team and ran the team like an actual real basketball team.

That's how bad the SPURS really are.

The spurs were a piece away from a decent team, doesn’t that say the spurs actually constructed a decent team? Especially when said piece was brought in by …. The team?

[DAF86]

How many picks would it take to transform our Johnson from Keldon to Cam?

[tbdog]

How many picks would it take to transform our Johnson from Keldon to Cam?

Why? You don't spend picks until you are ready for a push.

[DAF86]

Why? You don't spend picks until you are ready for a push.

Wemby is ready for a push.

[tbdog]

Wemby is ready for a push.

The team isn't. It's not deep enough. They'll have a good offseason.

[Spursfanfromafar]

if they having a fire sale, bring DJ back

He has been terrible. His defense has fallen off a cliff since he went to Atlanta and his 3P shooting is terrible these days.

If there was someone that the Spurs can pry from BI, Zion, CJ...it has to be one among the first two and both come with huge risks.

[scott]

The team isn't. It's not deep enough. They'll have a good offseason.

What's going to happen between now and the offseason to make the team "ready for a push"?

What are they doing to do in the offseason to make it good? Adding a bunch of rookies ain't gonna be it. The FA class isn't loaded with stars.

I'm not saying they even need to make rash moves now, but there is nothing magical about this upcoming offseason that is going to transform the team. If the right deal presents itself now, we should take it - but we shouldn't make a bad deal (now or in the offseason).

[rankingtear]

Cam Johnson is still in play one of the moves I am onboard with. Would take 1 unprotected pick.