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this. i still think the chances of booker getting traded in the next 3 years is sub 10%, but if he does get traded, im about 75% sure Houston would be the destination
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this. i still think the chances of booker getting traded in the next 3 years is sub 10%, but if he does get traded, im about 75% sure Houston would be the destination
Sochan, salary filler, our 2026 with the ATL swap, and our 2027 would probably be my best offer. Though kind of tempted to pull the 26 and replace it with a worse pick like the 28 with the top 1 protected Boston swap given KD is 36 and injury prone.
If I'm moving Steph I think Tre is a must keep given CP3's injury history.
I'd love to have KD, he'd be a killer on the Spurs. One thing that I've been noticing with Wemby of late is that he is finding his own iden y. Last season, it looked like he was just trying to be a 7'5" KD. That's obviously who he's studied the most.
It could probably go either way, but, I'd err on letting Wemby create his own best version of himself. Wilt had no mentor. That's the closest to Wemby in terms of dominance.
I wouldn't be against it, but, with the caveat of playing with your hero doesn't always work out.
the timeline i am thinking of is the following summer when some other big name free agents could be demanding trades. we have to be careful to stay away from that second apron before then.
We’re getting Fox back plus matching salary are another factor. You’d have to include one of Barnes or Zollins for matching salaries not sure the Kings want that so Tre goes.
Been over it many times, there are very few realistic targets for us, if any.
As for the salaries, next season's cap is projected to be at $155M, luxury tax at $187M, 1st apron at $195M and 2nd apron at $207M.
We're at $129M for the next season as of now, $26M under the cap.
Keldon and Collins combine for $35.5M.
Devin will get $27M.
Branham, Wesley, Sidy and Bassey combine for $16.5M.
That's easily moveable $79M, players we don't need whatsoever except Devin.
Barnes is solid, but he's also moveable, $19M.
$124M under the cap total, with 2 incoming FRPs.
We can get even two all-stars if needed.
It would be awful not to maximize Wemby's rookie deal, we'll have an MVP candidate on a bargain for 2 more seasons after this one.
Call me crazy, but I think that with Fox, another 3-D wing and a legit backup big we could easily go against anyone in the Conference except OKC even this season.
you're getting Fox who can handle big minutes (is playing 37mpg this year)
i still think wesley has been fine this year and could stand to get some minutes imo. we already guaranteed his deal for next year anyway so may as well give him some run if Paul goes down.
and theres always point sochan or point branham
I'm still waiting for Point Mamu as our 5th stringer.
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It’s not just that I’m enamored with castle as young spurs’ talent, but it’s the fact that he’s on a rookie contract. Building with rookie contracts is more important than ever under the new cba. People haven’t caught up to the reality of the constraints imposed by the aprons. You cannot give up a lottery pick in the first year of his rookie contract, especially when he has shown the ability to contribute right away. That the type of thing that poorly run teams do, and then they get stuck. Flexibility is more important than it’s ever been
If you ever hear about a San Antonio trade, it’s not a San Antonio trade! If this does happen I’d be shocked.
if some team out there is crazy enough to take our garbage, and not ask for Castle our deplete our 1st round pick assets, then i'm all in. I just don't see that happening by this trade deadline.
Do I really need to list out draft selections over the past years?
And do I really need to repeat we have 13 FRPs and 4 more swaps in upcoming 7 drafts. And 18 SRPs?
Stop with the depleting assets thing, the only trades that would deplete our assets are trades for MVP candidates, not trades for players asking out with 1 year left on their deal.
Would you trade Lonnie, Samanic, Keldon, Vassell, Primo, Sochan, Branham and Wesley for Fox?
Those are our 8 FRPs before Wemby, including two lottery picks.
Those Hawks picks aren't going to be top10, so if you want to hold onto them, get yourself ready for another Branham, maybe Keldon if we're lucky.
Really fantastically said by both of you, IMO.
I think what gives me solace to make a big move, DAF86, is that it is almost impossible to "shoot our load" because our "load" is so massive. We can afford to make a less-than-perfect move (assuming it still works to some degree) because our warchest is large enough to recover, IMO. We heard a lot of talk during the Trae rumors (which I was never fully on board with going for) of "what if it doesn't work out?" I think that's a fair question, but what does "not working out" look like? It's not like someone like Trae or Fox or Markkanen is going to devolve into a subpar player. Trae Young is 97th percentile in Crafted OPM this year, and this is a "down" year for him. Likewise, Markkanen's stats are down on a bad team, but he's still 94th percentile in Crafted OPM this year. (Note: both of these guys are very bad defenders measured by Crafted DPM, but you know that going in). "Not working out" for them probably involves them still being very good players with some salvage value.
And as 100%duncan points out, at the end of the day you have to pull the trigger at some point. I think part of the problem is that a lot of our warchest is coming due now, and I don't love the Return on Investment when you have to punt them into the future. I've been on this train since this happened, but I did not like the return we got for #8 last year. I'm okay with the decision to not make that pick, but I don't like the return we got. IMO, the #8 pick in any year should return more than a swap and a pick (with a roughly 73% chance of being a worst pick if we just assume random variance) 7 years from now. I shudder at the thought of us having to similarly punt another pick (or two if CHI conveys) this year. I feel like we've got to get a move on, otherwise the moment will pass us by.
I would LOVE Booker. He's probably in the top 3 of guys (outside of superstars like Giannis, Luka, SGA, Ant, etc) who I would want. Also because Book 1's are some of my favorite every day shoes and some Spurs colorways would be siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick. But I don't see it happening. If Booker moves, it's all aligned to be to the Rockets. Stranger things have happened though.
Just my opinion, but I think you need to add at least one more pick to the Devin offer and probably at least two more to the Keldon offer.
With that said, I'd do it, and I'd focus on front loading with this year's picks. This draft is looking weaker and weaker after about the top 8. On Vecenie's last podcast he said he's having difficulty even finding guys worth a lotto pick, and it just gets rougher from there.
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they’re trade assets but by your logic they’re trash assets. And yet, someone out there wants them.
Those assets aren't worth the same to everyone.
And the players aren't worth the same to everyone.
Fox is worth way more than Kings can get for him if he's traded to a team he wants to play for and signs an extension with.
His value is significantly lowered because he wants out and his contract is over after next season.
Kings also really want their swap back.
Alright then something like:
Devin
Tre (they can either extend him or get some SRPs, maybe Wesley instead if they're interested)
SAC 20131 swap returned
Best of '25 ATL/SAS
'25 CHI
Best of '27 ATL/SAS
That's 3 picks, their own swap returned, a decent backup point guard and a young shooter they need on a 5 year deal.
They won't get a better offer.
I think they can get Hunter with those Hawks picks if they want to.
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I think that looks about right, maybe a slight overpay. Maybe the 27 can turn into a swap (SAC has the right to swap with the best of ATL/SA)?
I'd do it, but I'm a Devin hater... so my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt
I think that Devin's situation is trickier than most people realize.I'd do it, but I'm a Devin hater... so my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt
Yeah, with the rising cap those $27M a year aren't an issue, but if he doesn't get his together until the rest of the season he'll lose most of his value.
Kings are one of those clueless franchises that probably haven't caught up to the fact that he's not actually that good.
Spurs either trade him while he still has value or gamble he'll actually make significant improvement.
Because if we don't trade him now or this summer at the latest and he doesn't get his together, we got another Keldon on our hands. Difference being that Keldon actually served his tank commander purpose.
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