Spurs trade ideas

[Leetonidas]

what's even the roster at that point?

Fox/Champagnie/Butler/Sochan/Wemby

Paul/Branham/Barnes/Mamu/Bassey

probably just have to start barnes at the 4 with that lineup

I would probably start Barnes and rotate Sochan between backup PF and backup C depending on matchups

[scott]

Sorry, I meant in the West.

The more games I watch, the more I realize how flawed everyone is except OKC.
Grizzlies are actually scary because they keep racking up wins without half the roster in most games.
Others not so much.

Rockets have no offense whatsoever, when the game slows down in the playoffs they wont' be able to do .
Nuggets without Jokic aren't much better than current Spurs without Wemby, just a horrible roster.
Mavs should be legit, but Luka's calf injury looks serious and I doubt he'll be at 100% this season.
Others aren't even worth a mention if we're talking legit teams.

I firmly believe that we could reach WCF with Fox and Cam...and good coaching.

I don't even rate Cam that highly, but he's the best available 3-D wing.

And Fox/Castle/Champ/Cam/Wemby lineup would be good for another 5 seasons, both cap and timeline wise. With obvious room for growth.

I'm liking the idea of LaRavia more and more as a budget 3-D wing option, but it will have to wait for the summer when he is a UFA.

[LeBowen]

I'm liking the idea of LaRavia more and more as a budget 3-D wing option, but it will have to wait for the summer when he is a UFA.

You think they're content with Pippen Jr as the backup point guard?
Would they be interested in Tre-LaRavia swap? Maybe we could even add a couple of seconds.

[scott]

You think they're content with Pippen Jr as the backup point guard?
Would they be interested in Tre-LaRavia swap? Maybe we could even add a couple of seconds.

Can't trade for LaRavia, because he had his 4th year option declined meaning he can only resign for a starting salary of $5.1MM, which I think he's outplayed. So if you trade for him now, you're more than likely going to lose him this summer.

And I do think Memphis likes Pippen Jr, I doubt they'd want Tre.

[scott]

To my friend LeBowen's point... with a couple of smart moves we could make some real noise THIS year

[exstatic]

Not a butler fan at all but just for s and giggles...


If Spurs went all in and Fox and Butler and only gave up Castle, Vassell, Keldon, Collins, and picks, is a Wemby/Fox/Butler big three good enough to win a chip this season? I'm leaning toward no but I think they would easily be the 2nd best team in the West and could possibly beat OKC to get to the Finals

No, and you’ve blown your wad for a team that will never shoot well enough, and you’ll never have another chance to refresh the roster. If you’re making two trades, one of them MUST be for a high volume, high percentage 3 pt. shooter.

[DPG21920]

If NOP is having a fire sale, why would they unload an expiring so that they can add multiple years of Keldon and Collins salary in exchange for a non-material pick?

For draft compensation and to re-route players who may have value too broken down into smaller salaries

[DPG21920]

Not the first time I've seen LaRavia mentioned as a trade target. I like it, but he had his option declined and is in that strange scenario where it might be hard to resign him if you acquire him via trade. Might be better to just try and get him in FA. But, I think he'd be a really interesting wing option. 6'7" with a 6'10" wingspan. .444 on threes this year, but low volume (only 2.2 3PA/gm). Good defender, ranks 77% in Crafted DPM, around 80% in DARKO D-DPM and D-LEBRON. No clue what kind of deal he'll draw on the open market... but I'm guessing Memphis (or whomever trades for him if they do) can only offer a starting salary $5.1MM, and I think he'll command more than that. Strange decision for MEM to not pick up his 4th year, considering his performance last year and his role so far this year.

This guy also proposes Keldon + Collins + Bran + SA25 + CHI25 + ATL 27 + SA27 (w BOS swap) for Fox.

no Im not giving up all those picks to pay Fox 50M.

[Dejounte]

no Im not giving up all those picks to pay Fox 50M.

Those are picks in the teens that would amount to nothing for us. There really isnt that much value in picks when they are that low.

Especially the 2027 one where we will be a much better team

[scott]

For draft compensation and to re-route players who may have value too broken down into smaller salaries

"A non-material pick" (the term you used) is not adequate compensation to trade an expiring for multiple years of bums, lol.

[scott]

Those are picks in the teens that would amount to nothing for us. There really isnt that much value in picks when they are that low.

To be fair to DPG, he wants only wants trades where we completely take advantage and abuse the other team. TBH, this isn't really his strength

[Dejounte]

To be fair to DPG, he wants only wants trades where we completely take advantage and abuse the other team. TBH, this isn't really his strength

Yeah I don’t get this guy. Havent for years

[DPG21920]

"A non-material pick" (the term you used) is not adequate compensation to trade an expiring for multiple years of bums, lol.

It is when you dont want to pay Ingram and he walks for nothing and you dont have money to do anything even if he walks

[DPG21920]

To be fair to DPG, he wants only wants trades where we completely take advantage and abuse the other team. TBH, this isn't really his strength

Laughing emojis aside, pretty sure I’ve put together more trades and salary scenarios than either of you guys ever have where things that happened in real world happened pretty close.

[scott]

It is when you dont want to pay Ingram and he walks for nothing and you dont have money to do anything even if he walks

Letting Ingram go for free is better than taking back additional years of negative assets. How is this even a question?

[scott]

Laughing emojis aside, pretty sure I’ve put together more trades and salary scenarios than either of you guys ever have where things that happened in real world happened pretty close.

Sure, Jan

[DPG21920]

Those are picks in the teens that would amount to nothing for us. There really isnt that much value in picks when they are that low.

Especially the 2027 one where we will be a much better team

Theres plenty of value in those picks and luckily I dont think SA would do anything like that. We will see. As much as you like to cringe laugh at my “understanding of trades” you two woefully undervalue picks and think SA should over pay just because “they can”

OKC has more picks than SA, has every reason to over pay since they are legit contenders and even they dont do it. Wonder why?

[DPG21920]

Sure, Jan

I’ll be honest - perhaps it was my own lack of imagination before, but tonight I saw for the first time what perhaps was the point of all of this. If Wemby even shoots 36% from three, then these pump fake and drives he did tonight against the Wizards are going to be there. Eventually teams will adjust somewhat but it will just leave someone else open to shoot a three.

So, I eat some crow and say that I understand what the game plan might be here. I don’t expect Wemby to continue the tear he has been on the last 3 games from 3… but he doesn’t need to. When he’s shooting 22%, it’s a bad strategy. When he’s shooting 50%, he’s going to post insane games. When he’s shooting closer to average (which hopefully be in the 35%+ range), then the Spurs offense is going to work the way I assume they envision it.

Some of the shot selection can be cleaned up, but that will come over time.

It’s still early, but if we’re going to be around a .500 team, then my main point about having a high performing vet leader still stands. While I didn’t (and still wouldn’t) want DDR back, he’s an example of the kind of short term, All-Star Caliber vet who the team could use, IMO.

Anyway, this crow is delicious, and I’m happy to be eating it.

CROFL

[scott]

CROFL

Keldon would easily net a top 10 pick in this draft in a trade.

[CGD]

Such opportunity cost when they could instead tank for their next Marvin Bagley, Willie Cauley-Stein, Thomas Robinson, Nik Stauskas, or Ben McLemore.

This made me laugh. Dont forget they also drafted Jimmer….

[DPG21920]

Mine was more accurate than yours lmao. This draft was considered very weak. You being concerned and writing a novel about a 20 year old MVP candidate is orders of magnitude more silly.

But also shows we are both wrong at times and you snickering morons aren’t unique or any better

[scott]

Mine was more accurate than yours lmao. This draft was considered very weak. You being concerned and writing a novel about a 20 year old MVP candidate is orders of magnitude more silly.

But also, servers to show we are both wrong at times and you snickering morons aren’t unique or any better

Sure, Jan

[DPG21920]

Letting Ingram go for free is better than taking back additional years of negative assets. How is this even a question?

Draft picks aren’t negative assets. Especially for a team that is cash strapped even if Ingram walks. Getting Keldon + a draft pick, even if its several seconds or a lotto protected first is still a very good deal in that situation IMO

Whether they are willing to take Colins too? Sure, remains to be seen, but that’s what I *personally* would be looking for if Im taking a risk on trading any picks for a player I dont control nor know if they fit.

[DPG21920]

Sure, Jan

Im worried about Wemby yall! Who’s with me?!!”

MMMMMMM this crow sure taste great amiright everyone!!!

[scott]

Im worried about Wemby yall! Who’s with me?!!”

MMMMMMM this crow sure taste great amiright everyone!!!

It's a discussion board. We discuss things.

I'm big enough to admit when I was wrong. Can the same be said about you? You're sticking with Keldon is worth a Top 10 pick, so I'm gonna go with no.