The Spurs are 10-5 without Sochan in the lineup; 8-12 with him playing.

[spursistan]

they're seriously going to pay this guy and trot him out in the crunch time because he is supposedly a "core piece"?

[LeBowen]

^
Remember when Pop was talking how he can't run a lot of sets because players aren't good enough to do it?
To me this looks like more of the same. As in everything is simplified, players just take 1 through 5 roles and then they run it the same way regardless of who's on the floor.
Jeremy is standing in the same position a shooter would've been standing in and Devin will make that pass in the corner regardless of how good of a shooter is the receiver.
The worst thing of all is that it would work if our coach wasn't handicapping his already questionable roster with awful lineups.

[baseline bum]

A couple of weeks ago Sochan had a borderline star PER of 20, which was inflated because of a lot of the easy looks he got being spoonfed layups by Victor, but at least he was a guy finishing at the rim. But now his PER has dropped to 16.6, I mean damn it tanked fast.

[Pauleta14]

they're seriously going to pay this guy and trot him out in the crunch time because he is supposedly a "core piece"?

Yes, of course they will (Pop on record said Sochan is the closest to Manu he's ever seen) and most on ST will call you a hater because you dare question the logic and will play the stats contortionists to explain how great he is

[rascal]

why did sochan shift to the left wing, he was wide open there, defender was off him but he decides to shift and… get closer to the defender???

Because he had missed an earlier shot a couple of minutes earlier and wasn't confident he could hit a shot from the corner/side.

[onechance87]

why did sochan shift to the left wing, he was wide open there, defender was off him but he decides to shift and… get closer to the defender???

Because he had missed an earlier shot a couple of minutes earlier and wasn't confident he could hit a shot from the corner/side.

Yup the bulls were ok with sochan taking that corner shot.This is the reason why he cant start with wemby.Good teams will exploit
that weakness.Bulls arent that good and still still easily figured it out.This team needs a lineup change with sochan and vassell.
They just completely ruined the momentum since they got forced back into the starting lineup.

[Pauleta14]

why did sochan shift to the left wing, he was wide open there, defender was off him but he decides to shift and… get closer to the defender???

Because he had missed an earlier shot a couple of minutes earlier and wasn't confident he could hit a shot from the corner/side.

Low IQ

Lack of situational awareness

[rjv]

I'm not sure what happened in that play where Sochan is in the corner. It would be hard for me to think that Mitch would draw up a play that would have Sochan occupying the corner since that would give the Bulls the opportunity to leave him and double on someone else. But, tbh, I don't know whey Champagnie wasn't in there instead of Sochan.

[Tyronn Lue]

Spurs didn't need a 3 at that time. Driving and the jump pass started the problem. Don't jump pass, that's a fundamental NBA lesson. You don't have an alternative except traveling once you're up there. I'd preferred Devin take the shot. Jeremy moving while Devin wasn't even seeing him was another problem. Victor was between his defender and Jeremy and could have easily screened that closeout.

Just either low basketball IQ or not enough time together to know what and what not to do. Everyone seems primed for a fast break or alley oop, but those 4th quarters have been shaky, since that's when other teams start to crank it up on D and take more risky shots, protect the ball more.

[spurraider21]

why did sochan shift to the left wing, he was wide open there, defender was off him but he decides to shift and… get closer to the defender???

Because he had missed an earlier shot a couple of minutes earlier and wasn't confident he could hit a shot from the corner/side.

guy realizes he needs some bounces off the rim/backboard to get his shots to fall, and from the corner you dont get that

[spurraider21]

they're seriously going to pay this guy and trot him out in the crunch time because he is supposedly a "core piece"?

in these situations, he's had his success cutting as soon as the defender turns his back to him. could have had a layup/dunk here if he just did what's been working for him. or at the very least a quick give and go back to victor if the defenders try to deny the rim attempt

[TheChillFactor]

He'll be ing up for a while. He's either going to learn or we're going to give him a million chances before we ship him out.

Richard Jefferson 2.0 in my opinion, I don't think he can help us win a le. But I don't get a vote.

[Spurs Brazil]

[spursistan]

boy if we beat the Bucks without him, the conversation will get way too uncomfortable for some It is already getting traction on twitter.

[LeBowen]

Bucks and Lakers are rare matchups where Jeremy would be really useful.

[spursistan]

Bucks and Lakers are rare matchups where Jeremy would be really useful.

I think The Spurs offensive challenges with Sochan present a bigger issue and outweigh his contribution to defending POA guards/wings. Giannis will get his anyway and Lebron isn't the force he used to be...

[scott]

boy if we beat the Bucks without him, the conversation will get way too uncomfortable for some It is already getting traction on twitter.

Yeah, I see that YouTuber "ClanTheSpursFan" is out in force white knighting for Sochan. This is the same dude who over the summer basically said that Sochan was the deal breaker for him in a potential Lauri trade

[tbdog]

Non shooters can play through clutch time. Draymond is obviously the perfect example of that. Herb Jones, Giddey, Mobley, Ben Simmons, Hachimura off the top of my head.

[100%duncan]

The sequences in the clutch last night....

1. Vic gets an entry into the paint, when he couldve easily forced things up, get fouled or get a dunk. Instead he passes of to Sochan to the corner which expectedly shot a short 3. This is more on Vic passing to Sochan tbh and more on Mitch playing Sochan here

2. The next possession or so, Dev drives into the paint, draws Sochan's defender from the corner, and then passes to Sochan. But Sochan has already moved away from the spot because he didnt want to be taking that 3. Again this is more on Dev and Mitch.


From these 2 scenarios taken in isolation, Sochan isn't really the one at fault. But, his lack of shooting led to these 2 possessions being disasters. This really brings into question how they can play Sochan in the clutch or if he's really part of the core for the future. He's a good garbage man type of player who can give you a solid 30+ mins but there should be just very SPECIFIC scenarios for any team to be playing him in the clutch.

[spurraider21]

The sequences in the clutch last night....

1. Vic gets an entry into the paint, when he couldve easily forced things up, get fouled or get a dunk. Instead he passes of to Sochan to the corner which expectedly shot a short 3. This is more on Vic passing to Sochan tbh and more on Mitch playing Sochan here

2. The next possession or so, Dev drives into the paint, draws Sochan's defender from the corner, and then passes to Sochan. But Sochan has already moved away from the spot because he didnt want to be taking that 3. Again this is more on Dev and Mitch.


From these 2 scenarios taken in isolation, Sochan isn't really the one at fault. But, his lack of shooting led to these 2 possessions being disasters. This really brings into question how they can play Sochan in the clutch or if he's really part of the core for the future. He's a good garbage man type of player who can give you a solid 30+ mins but there should be just very SPECIFIC scenarios for any team to be playing him in the clutch.

sochan's at fault for both

he's had a lot of success this year cutting when wemby gets doubled. on the first play, once the defender turned his back to sochan, he should have cut to the rim. wemby loves throwing him lobs. or if the defense somehow recovered and tried to challenge sochan's shot at the rim, could have just done a quick give and go and passed it right back to wemby for a quick shot

on the second play, there was no reason for him to vacate the corner. if he doesnt want to take the 3, whatever. pump and drive and see what happens. but leaving the corner that way as vassell is going downhill makes no sense

[100%duncan]

sochan's at fault for both

he's had a lot of success this year cutting when wemby gets doubled. on the first play, once the defender turned his back to sochan, he should have cut to the rim. wemby loves throwing him lobs. or if the defense somehow recovered and tried to challenge sochan's shot at the rim, could have just done a quick give and go and passed it right back to wemby for a quick shot

on the second play, there was no reason for him to vacate the corner. if he doesnt want to take the 3, whatever. pump and drive and see what happens. but leaving the corner that way as vassell is going downhill makes no sense

An average NBA player would and should take that three from Vic. The three wasn't the wrong shot, it was just the wrong player taking it.

On the Dev play, I see the argument. But again, he did that because there was no way in he would have wanted to take another corner 3 again.

Mitch playing Sochan over Champ and/or Castle (more so Champ) is really the ultimate problem here if we're just talking about winning these games for a better standing. Now talking about the future, hopefully there are considerations happening behind the scenes already. I doubt though.

[spurraider21]

An average NBA player would and should take that three from Vic. The three wasn't the wrong shot, it was just the wrong player taking it.

thats why he should prioritize cutting instead of waiting behind the 3 point line. its something he's done well this season. he didnt do it then, that's on him.

On the Dev play, I see the argument. But again, he did that because there was no way in he would have wanted to take another corner 3 again.

this isnt an excuse. if you dont want to take the corner 3, dont position yourself in the corner. but you have to make yourself a reliable passing outlet for a driving player. even if you fully intend to put the ball on the floor instead of shooting once you receive the ball... the first thing you have to do is receive the ball

[dbestpro]

I would love to see Cedi Osman back on this team tbh.

[100%duncan]

thats why he should prioritize cutting instead of waiting behind the 3 point line. its something he's done well this season. he didnt do it then, that's on him.


this isnt an excuse. if you dont want to take the corner 3, dont position yourself in the corner. but you have to make yourself a reliable passing outlet for a driving player. even if you fully intend to put the ball on the floor instead of shooting once you receive the ball... the first thing you have to do is receive the ball

Yes it's not an excuse, that's why shouldn't have been on the court. It's not like he was locking down Lavine anyway.

[ambchang]

Tonight was a solid example of why people make that criticism. No situational awareness, out of position on key plays, etc. Winning players have an “it” factor, and as much as I love this guy, he is not a winning player.

That would include everyone on the team, even wemby. I wouldn’t call wemby low iq.