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    It coincided with injured players coming back.
    Mitch started off well, did the reasonable thing of removing Collins and we thought that we're only going to get better when Devin and Jeremy return.
    But it turns out that Castle/Champagnie are better than those two and Mitch doesn't have the authority to remove Devin adn Jeremy from the starting lineup. He's not blind, he sees we're way worse with those two, but for some reason isn't making the obvious decision.
    You can argue that much, but matching down the stretch? Spurs had Sochan shooting 3 instead of Champ in when they needed a 3 to win, Tre guarding Brunson/Bridges on a comeback when Castle could’ve defended better, etc. The Spurs were playing well on those games, even had big leads but Mitch couldn’t adjust with matchups.

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    You can argue that much, but matching down the stretch? Spurs had Sochan shooting 3 instead of Champ in when they needed a 3 to win, Tre guarding Brunson/Bridges on a comeback when Castle could’ve defended better, etc. The Spurs were playing well on those games, even had big leads but Mitch couldn’t adjust with matchups.
    As I wrote the other night, I'm starting to get su ious that Mitch isn't actually fully in charge.
    Even casual fans see that Jeremy shouldn't be out there in the clutch, someone making a living off basketball is definitely aware of the fact.
    Anyhow, he's out of his depth and can't be the permanent solution.

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    Like a lot of coaches he did well with better players. And there's no way he's authorized to stop playing Devin or whatever. I see this as a FO issue mostly with veterans and scrap players outperforming our drafted players. Caveat with Castle who deserves a longer leash.

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    people have said this since the Bryn Forbes era began. There's something deeply wrong with this organisation. The Spurs have been ran like a charity case developmental program for years now and not like an actual basketball franchise. I said this 5 years ago and it's still true. They need to swap out all the old heads everywhere in the organisation and bring in new blood. Pop's former assistant coaches are for the most part better coaches than him at this point, meanwhile his assistans on the Spurs are still clueless followers.

    Too much corporate knowledge walked out the door for better jobs elsewhere in the NBA and now the Spurs are stuck in the mud. Hire people with high skillsets instead of trying to develop the janitor into an assistant coach like we've been doing for years.
    i remember parker's last big contract feeling kinda bad, but you can understand it for a guy of his stature, who wasnt a "bad" player at the time, but a declining one, but was a team leader and icon.

    the first time i really thought "oh , this is awful management" is the 50 mills contract.

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    I'm pretty sure the coaching style changes coincided with Pop's statement 3 weeks ago about his status (and excitement about coming back to the bench)
    Just a correlation imo

    Things were easier for Mitch with less options with all the injuries, now he has to make (tough) decisions and doesn't either have the balls or the power to do so.

    I wonder if more than the authority, Mitch lacks the distance with guys like Vassell or Keldon that he has been very closed to since their rookies years. Is there a friendly relationship between them? That could be an explanation.

    But even if things were better right now, Mitch still wouldn't be qualified for the job bc of his lack of exp at the highest level and young age. The project is too important to leave the keys in the hands of a rookie.

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    As I wrote the other night, I'm starting to get su ious that Mitch isn't actually fully in charge.
    Even casual fans see that Jeremy shouldn't be out there in the clutch, someone making a living off basketball is definitely aware of the fact.
    Anyhow, he's out of his depth and can't be the permanent solution.
    It could be simpler than that, PATFO (and a lot of Spurs fans) have made up their mind that Sochan's offensive limitations were outweighed by his defensive impact and seem ready to pay the price, which is him doing dumb mistakes, in the hope I guess that he learns and develop that way.

    The pb is that Sochan isn't the type who learns from his mistakes, he likes to repeat the living out of them.

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    They don't even know what they're doing when picking up options or doing extensions. They picked up useless options on Branham and Wesley, but never forget they picked up the option for cement shoe low talent fraud Josh Primo AFTER they knew about his repeated exposure issues with team employees, only for him to get caught out for it just 2 weeks after the option. Clowns.

    And this was after a year plus of slobbering praise of the glacial unremarkable Primo as THE FUTURE of the franchise when he couldn't even penetrate the three point line without a screen.

    And he's had chances with teams since then ... And done nothing. Shouldn't a franchise player like Primo made a triumphant comeback by now with all that talent the Spurs swear they saw in him?

    I really think they don't know what's happening at all and anything good is an accident of cir stance. Pop was sniffling, teary eyed on the verge of a breakdown over the idea of losing Bryn The Good Citizen Forbes to another team for more money only for the rest of the league to immediately know his limitations and never pay him much of anything, lol.

    They jumped a gun HARD on extending Zollins only for him to be unplayable garbage who routinely loses minutes to an undersized minimum guy with multiple severe leg injuries of his own.

    Giving Mitch an undeserved head coach extension without even looking at the rest of any credible candidates would be the Spurs thing to do.
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    What happened with Bryn Forbes anyway? It was the one period where I didn't really follow what was going on. Did Bryn want to leave or get offered a better contact and Pop was upset about losing him? I thought he was traded?

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    What happened with Bryn Forbes anyway? It was the one period where I didn't really follow what was going on. Did Bryn want to leave or get offered a better contact and Pop was upset about losing him? I thought he was traded?
    I know he likes to beat on women.

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    I know he likes to beat on women.
    Bryn was one of poop’s character guys. His make a wish Curry.

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    Mitch seemed to start out well, but in hindsight his hot start coincided with Sochan missing time. Sochan’s low IQ, bad shooting brand of BB is killing the Spurs.
    Spurs with and without sochan is hugely overblown. The difference has much more to do with schedules than anything. The entire season the spurs have lost winnable games with grey few impressive wins.

    With sochan, the only impressive win was against Houston, and maybe the wolves and recently the clippers (mostly due to margins).

    Without sochan the impressive wins were OKC and Denver, then maybe Sacramento (the one where we won by 20).

    Low iq plays were mostly contributing to the disappointing loses. Sochan was definitely part of it vs Chicago, but Denver really wasn’t him (beside Denver was the better team). Then there was that 27 loss to Sacramento.

    Without sochan we lost to the rockets by 27 and LAP by 18, these are disappointing mostly due to margins.

    I’d say they are pretty even in terms of impressive wins vs disappointing losses.

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    What happened with Bryn Forbes anyway? It was the one period where I didn't really follow what was going on. Did Bryn want to leave or get offered a better contact and Pop was upset about losing him? I thought he was traded?
    He left, got a ring in Milwaukee, re-signed here for the purpose of being traded, was and got us a SRP, played one more year, then strong armed a ho at the Hyatt Hill Country resort, and dropped out of sight.

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    Mitch may have peaked. Time for Pops to come back or the Spurs to find a veteran head coach.

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    They look like they have quit on him

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    Mike Brown is available

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    What happened with Bryn Forbes anyway? It was the one period where I didn't really follow what was going on. Did Bryn want to leave or get offered a better contact and Pop was upset about losing him? I thought he was traded?
    Pop was afraid that Bryn was about to get a giant contract the Spurs wouldn't be able to match. I think he even sat out the bubble to protect his value, either by him and/or his agent or Pop thinking he was doing him a favor.

    What happened was nobody cared and he signed for less money than his previous in SA on a mini-mle 1 year deal with Milwaukee. Where he was up and down but won a ring and interestingly, had a very good scoring first round scoring against Miami with 15 points a game, but averaged 18+ over games 2-4 in the sweep and had more total points than Jimmy Butler.

    But then the 2nd round started and he had a minutes collapse for the rest of the playoffs, only getting 5 minutes in the closeout of the second round, that had him finishing with 3 DNP-CDs in the last 3 games of the finals and under 10mpg in rounds 3 & 4.

    Basically what became obvious after the first round sweep of a broken Miami team was this: Forbes was SO awful on defense, that even surrounding him with prime dpoy and all-defense players like Giannis, Brook Lopez, Jrue and a sound defender in Middleton wasn't enough to cover for his apocalyptic negative impact. Even if was making shots, his defensive anti-gravity was shredding the defense of Giannis, Lopez, and Jrue, finest defenders of their generation, at the sub-atomic level.

    Bryn was the Elephant's Foot with a DeBarge mustache and constant shoe-wipes. 90 seconds of exposure with Bryn defending in the half court was certain death.

    He never took a single charge in his whole career. Always last in deflections. Ran away from players defending in transition. This was the guy Pop was crying over.

    So he gets his ring, can point to the first round against Miami ... Time to get paid! Except ... Everyone saw how terrible he was. Nobody wanted him. Pop gave him a charity raise in his 1 year deal and they were able to trade him out, probably for some second rounder that if ever conveyed high enough was probably sold for cash anyway.

    And he was done. He later would be accused of doing things off the court that were most unpleasant. Pop really had a way of bonding with good character guys like Bryn and Josh.

    NBA had moved on from paying anything big to no defense shooters, and Bryn wasn't good enough to even be of the Malik Beasley variety, another guy who had to take a minimum before getting an under-mle deal.

    But Bryn's radioactive spirit lives on in San Antonio where Malaki Branham had his 4th year option picked up for nebulous reasons. He'll make more than Bryn ever did in a single year without ever even doing the occasional shot making part.

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    i remember parker's last big contract feeling kinda bad, but you can understand it for a guy of his stature, who wasnt a "bad" player at the time, but a declining one, but was a team leader and icon.

    the first time i really thought "oh , this is awful management" is the 50 mills contract.
    same here tbh. It's been downhill ever since

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    Of course there was a string on Mitch, especially when it was learned Pop would be out for an extended period. It just kinda feels the instructions went from “Do the best you can do” to “Do this”. I’d hope the starting line-ups would have been discussed with the other coaches, but then some higher-ups would have a say so. IDK

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    ST ready to do Mitch like


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    Mitch needs to start benching players for in up on the court

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    Guys, is this Coach available for us??

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    Game #40 - When Mitch's long term prospects as a head coach died.

    Giving up a 16-0 run to end the 3rd Quarter against a Ja-less Grizzlies team while looking absolutely s shocked on the sideline.

    I don't know if he was trying to pull some Phil Jackson "let them figure it out" bull but that was absolutely embarrassing.

    Spurs need to find a real coach this offseason. It should absolutely be an outside hire but we all know how this bull organization operates

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    god forbid he ever played a pf

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    Yeah, i think that's all she wrote for Mitch..RC Buford better be be arranging coaching interviews as we speak..

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