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Yeah, including your beloved OKC Thunder.Sengun was picked 16th but "the entire nba passed on him"
Yeah, including your beloved OKC Thunder.Sengun was picked 16th but "the entire nba passed on him"
Definitely the Spurs tbh.Mugen between this and the raiders cleaning house again... which is worse
In what universe is Sochan a top 5 player in a 2022 redraft tbh
There were 58 players drafted in 2022. Of those, 6 (all SRPs) have never played in the NBA.In what universe is Sochan a top 5 player in a 2022 redraft tbh
Of the remaining 52 players, Branham ranks #52 in VORP, Blake Wesley ranks #50 and Sochan ranks #44.
For those who prefer BPM, Wesley ranks #51, Branham #46, Sochan #31.
As much as it sucks right now for the Spurs roster-wise, we still possess the ultimate trump card in this league: a generational superstar. We will likely never reach OKC or Boston current level of “stacked”, but prime Wemby should give us chance irrespective of the deficiencies on the roster..IMO They have 6-7 years window to figure this out (future coach, trade targets etc..) before it gets dicey,..
There's a number of other non-playoff (and some playoff) caliber teams that would love the Spurs ty drafting results.
THIS
Regardless of what anyone else says. THIS.
Just add Rim Protection. Got none. Worse Defensive "TEAM" ever.
Last edited by SouthernFried; 01-09-2025 at 07:32 PM.
What the is rc doing over there
For sure, including Saski Baskonia and the Windy City Bulls
Sochan is 4th in actual EPM in his class though this season. 11th in the past 4 draft classes. That is pretty good for a non drop big.
Poor drafting in 2020-2022 is just a small part of why Spurs aren't a good team.
Since drafting Wemby, Spurs have done 10 trades. None of these trades was mainly about Spurs improving their team. Even in trades with Spurs getting back a player (Osman and Barnes), these were trades where the main incentive were future draft compensations.
In 2023 and 2024 offseasons, Spurs had over $20M in cap space and two room exceptions. They mainly use it to get future draft compensations instead of improving the team. Their only signing was Chris Paul to an one year contract.
In the 2023 and 2024 drafts, Spurs didn't even use all their picks. They traded away #33 in 2023, #8 in 2024 and use an early second round pick on a stashed player.
To sum up, Spurs are a team that isn't really trying to get better through trade and free agency. They even aren't using all opportunities given by the draft. Spurs aren't a good team because the front office isn't trying to make them a good team.
What we are currently seeing with Spurs is just a result of Spurs deciding to rebuild their team very slowly. As fans, we aren't in the driver seat and we have no choice other than being patient and hopping it will result in something great. Spurs taking 4/5 years to rebuild their team and ending with a so-so result would be quite a disaster given the generational talent Spurs luckily got (never forget that Spurs only had a 14% odd to get Wembanyama).
It’s not going to take 4-5 years. We’ll be a play in team this year, and a playoff team next year. We sold our cap space last summer because there wasn’t anyone who wasn’t super expensive that would help us, besides Chris Paul, and it was our last chance to do so. If you were upset by selling SRPs,it’s going to be a bumpy ride for you. That will continue. We have too many FRPs to onboard. There’s no way that more than one SRP will be selected and kept in any given draft.
Great post and I think you're 100% right. I think the FO likely feels they are exactly on track. I think it is fair of us fans to question them, but I think they're doing exactly what they set out to. They aren't going out and getting a backup C, or upgrading Keldon or Vassell right now, because making the play-in or the playoffs this year doesn't matter to them. That may be the right or wrong decision, but that's the one they've made it seems.
The Spurs family doesn't do divorces. They stick it out with their players as long as they can, and use alcohol to hide in denial from the reality. Or something like that.
I think Wemby evolving so fast kinda makes it hard to commit big moves except for maybe the players that fit anywhere like the top 10 ones. The players you need for a more Jokic type Wemby his first year to this Giannis/KD type this year is much different. Mitch adress this with Devin having to adjust as Wemby evolves.
I believe the problem is the spurs have gotten to the point where the only way for them to really improve the team is to just overpay for players that will help us. Every team in the league has to overpay for good players. The Knicks are paying chronically injured OG damn near a max. The Grizzlies are playing their 3rd most important player, Banes, a straight up max. The Jazz are trying to be the worst team in the NBA and they literally paid Lauri a max this summer. Spurs are not going to ever get any really good players if they are not willing to pay the price that all other teams pay. Only way to avoid that is to hit on virtually every draft pick you have, and we know they not doing that.
It boils down to: better draft those years no Wemby so Spurs FO get a A++ for their draft
You're right, and no I'm not. We can add him to that list.
They really need to stop targetting non-shooting prospects for a while, tbh.
PATFO needs to stop focusing on developing high character members of society and focus more on developing fking basketball players who can win.
This isn’t the boy scouts.
Developing the crowd at the AT&T center into more respectful people who won't boo an opposing player, that's the goal.
2019, Samanic was a fail too. Keldon was OK production wise for a #29 pick, but he's paid more than his worth.
Vassell hasn't worked and has been legit bad this year, but he looked like a very solid bet to be a good player, given tools, defensive ability and length, and stats profile. I think the failure is more on player development, and moving to star profile shots and on ball responsibility much more than he should be.
Primo was dumb. Drafting young guys ahead of schedule is fine, but you want such a high ceiling that it's worth the risk (tools), and an age adjusted stats profile that suggests that they're going to be excellent (e.g, Fears this year looks the part, and his stats profile for a 18 year old is great). Primo didn't really hit either of those considerations to make pre-drafting seem logical.
2022, I think Sochan was a fine pick. Jalen Williams has obviously become the guy there, he was in contention (and some people did identify him), but he didn't look super obvious the whole time. He was a 21 year old wing with a 6BPM playing for Santa Clara who blew up at the combine and has really developed in OKC.
Sochan, as a decently athletic PF with some on ball skills, defensive versatility, productive in a do it all role, is an understandable pick. Shooting has been a real limit, and it might be that the shooting is a fatal flaw, or it could become less of an issue with more shooting in other roster spots.
Blake and Branham where upside swings on creation, betting on speed and off the dribble shooting. Hasn't worked. Really, not ideal / poor stats profiles (especially Blake).
The Spurs have had draft successes with shots in the dark on upside (Parker, Dejounte etc), hidden gem stats monster (George and Derrick), and seem to have swung more to trusting their gut, rather than a stats profile being a heavy consideration. I'd like them to move back towards a bit more stats focus on considerations of players. (so, Jase Richardson (Black Reed Sheppard, but mocked at 25 rather than 1) and Miles Byrd at the last 1st round pick we have / in the second at #40 or so would make me happy).
It’s never a fail when a #19 overall doesn’t pan out. The hit rate out that far is really low.
You're right. Maybe I should have said we needed to suck as a team and not necessarily at drafting.
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