De'Aaron Fox Rumors Suggest a Possible Trade to The Spurs

[DPG21920]

Whatever it ends up being if SA makes the move, I would really love the picks to be from years where we have multiple.

So one from 25, one from 27 and then SAC swap back (and maybe CHI pick too if necessary). That way whether it’s for drafting or more trades, SA still has firsts in every calendar year draft moving forward.

[DPG21920]

CHI hasn't begun their tank in earnest yet (and they may not, if they don't find takers for Lavine and Vooch), but there are reports that their entire roster is practically for sale.

Would be nice to get off Collins, but his salary will actually have utility as an expiring next season - more utility than he's actually offered as a player since he signed it that contract. Might actually be worth keeping him just to use to acquire another role player next year.

Bran and Blake are irrelevant and can easily be moved later or just be waived if we need the roster space next year. We can just carry them operating as an over-the-cap team and then waive them. Not worth given a second thought to.

I think it does matter collectively if we are paying the cost anyways to do it. Shaving off another 9-12M just makes Fox cheaper for example (I dont mind paying Fox Dev + Branham + Blake money or Collins + Keldon etc..)

[scott]

believe it or not, but Champagnie's contract will be very valuable in these negotiations

Yep, I've been saying... Champ is low key one of our best trade assets (but he's also a useful role player for us and I don't really want to lose him either, but I'm not letting him be the deal breaker). SAC has a similar player in Keon Ellis. Contracts that are such amazing bargains for multiple years that they become worth more than they'd otherwise be on a fair market deal.

[Mal]

You will need to keep couple srp to fill the roster after all big deals are handed

[mo7888]

Idea KOC threw out:

Spurs get Fox

Kings get John Collins, Collin Sexton, 2 FRPs

Jazz get Keldon, Zollins, Huerter, 2 FRPs and 2 SRPs

In this scenario we give up 4 firsts, but we only have to give up garbage

That keeps our cap space ($24M I believe) the same as it is now for this summer. I don't hate it...

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs: Fox
Kings: John Collins, Julien Champagnie, 25 CHI pick, 27 ATL pick, 25 CHA pick and get their swap back
Jazz: Tre Jones, Keldon Johnson, 4 second round picks

[spurraider21]

Spurs: Fox
Kings: John Collins, Julien Champagnie, 25 CHI pick, 27 ATL pick, 25 CHA pick and get their swap back
Jazz: Tre Jones, Keldon Johnson, 4 second round picks

in a heartbeat. i dont see it happening this way, but im open to being wrong

[PhantomDashCam]

I love Castle. And I just about hate Devin. But if SAC wants Castle instead of Devin I'm not letting that be the thing that holds up a deal.

I don't know, that's a tough one.
Year 2 Castle may be very well be an All-NBA defender and in Year 3, I think he could genuinely be in All-Star contention.

I don't think the Spurs want to face that kind of player in their own Conference for the next decade + knowing they had a hand in doing it...

[DesignatedT]

Fox
Huerter

for

Vassell
Collins
CHI 25 Pick (Top 10 Protected)
SA 27 Pick
Return SAC their 31 Pick Swap
2nds

I think that's probably best case scenario.

[Blizzardwizard]

Important not to overstate our leverage here. Right now Klutch is saying they're open to other teams. Unless Fox makes it clear he ONLY wants to go to San Antonio, we're going to have to come with a strong offer. Like Davidicus says we need to strike before the other vultures show up (it may already be too late). Hopefully the SAC front office is in full Kangz mode.

They're likely just covering themselves in the event a deal with SAS doesn't materialize so Fox still has an out.


It being out there that Fox has a 'desired destination' isn't without reason. If Klutch/Fox were truly 'open to all offers' that information wouldn't have made it into Shams' initial report.


Klutch have effectively given Brian Wright the biggest open goal he'll ever have as General Manager. If he can't score now chances are he never will.

[scott]

I think it does matter collectively if we are paying the cost anyways to do it. Shaving off another 9-12M just makes Fox cheaper for example (I dont mind paying Fox Dev + Branham + Blake money or Collins + Keldon etc..)

I mean, it's not like they're coming to ask me to write a check for any of it... IDAF if the Spurs P&L shows a $9-12MM variance next year

My point is that having Bran and Blake on the cap sheet likely isn't going to impact our ability to do anything, because we'll be over the cap anyway. With that said, yeah, if we can get rid of them (Bran especially) I'm all for it. But they aren't creating any issues (and in fact they could be helpful as expiring filler in the summer)

[Davidicus]

klutch doesnt want to get in trouble the way lillard did when he said he only wanted to go to miami. i think they're giving lip service but fox clearly has his heart set, consistent with past report that klutch wants to funnel a star to SA

the leverage sacto has is time, the same way philly did with harden, even though LAC were clearly the only suitor

Been wondering about this. Refresh my memory on the “trouble” they got in with Dame? And who’d they get in trouble with?

Bc if I’m Klutch and Fox truly wants SA Wemby, why wouldn’t I start with SA as his only preference and then open it up to other teams if they get word SA SAC negotiations aren’t looking good?

[scott]

Spurs: Fox
Kings: John Collins, Julien Champagnie, 25 CHI pick, 27 ATL pick, 25 CHA pick and get their swap back
Jazz: Tre Jones, Keldon Johnson, 4 second round picks

Seems like the Jazz are getting robbed here. They'll need better compensation for Collins and taking on Keldon, IMO.

[DPG21920]

I mean, it's not like they're coming to ask me to write a check for any of it... IDAF if the Spurs P&L shows a $9-12MM variance next year

My point is that having Bran and Blake on the cap sheet likely isn't going to impact our ability to do anything, because we'll be over the cap anyway. With that said, yeah, if we can get rid of them (Bran especially) I'm all for it. But they aren't creating any issues (and in fact they could be helpful as expiring filler in the summer)

I guess I view it as margins matter. Spurs need to be razor sharp in every aspect. Be hawks. Extract value at every single turn. And for small franchises that do operate on budgets that money can be better spent and can come in handy if other moves are made for significant cap space etc..

That 9M being gone means they can maybe dump Zach this offseason and now have significant cap space with less friction to make bigger moves this offseason etc…

Spurs cant just play nice and get fleeced is my point; all the details matter from here on out.

[scott]

They're likely just covering themselves in the event a deal with SAS doesn't materialize so Fox still has an out.


It being out there that Fox has a 'desired destination' isn't without reason. If Klutch/Fox were truly 'open to all offers' that information wouldn't have made it into Shams' initial report.


Klutch have effectively given Brian Wright the biggest open goal he'll ever have as General Manager. If he can't score now chances are he never will.

Perfect analogy.

[ginobilized]

Am I dreaming? SA is mentioned as a trade destination for a high-level player?

Gotta love this!

If this comes to pass, and it depends on the players we give up, but, what's the SL with Fox?

CP3/Fox/Barnes/Sochan/Wemby
or
Fox/Castle/Champagnie/Barnes/Wemby (I like this lineup with us giving up Vassell)
or
Fox/Vassell/Champagnie/Sochan/Wemby

and a bench of CP3/KJ/Sochan/Barnes/Bassey

OR Scott's Plan, which would be pretty sweet

Fox/Vassell/Barnes/Sochan/Wemby
Cp3/Castle/Champagnie/???/Bassey

[RC_Drunkford]

Seems like the Jazz are getting robbed here. They'll need better compensation for Collins and taking on Keldon, IMO.

true, I wish we had more first round picks a first and a couple 2nds would probably get it done. We could even send CP3 to the Kings as their back up PG and take on Huerter who they are trying to get rid off. I think there are ways to get Fox without giving up Vassell nor Castle, which I would prefer.

[scott]

I guess I view it as margins matter. Spurs need to be razor sharp in every aspect. Be hawks. Extract value at every single turn. And for small franchises that do operate on budgets that money can be better spent and can come in handy if other moves are made for significant cap space etc..

That 9M being gone means they can maybe dump Zach this offseason and now have significant cap space with less friction to make bigger moves this offseason etc…

Spurs cant just play nice and get fleeced is my point; all the details matter from here on out.

I agree, but there is a logistical cut off, which is the cap. If you're going to be over the cap anyway, saving another $5MM over the cap doesn't really matter in terms of what it allows you to do or not do. In fact, you might be better off having that $5MM expiring to pair with some SRPs to bring back a useful role player.

Now... if there is a FA you want (and I have my eyes on Aldama as an RFA, Laravia as a UFA, and Naz if he declines his PO) and there is a way to free up that cap space by moving these guys now, then for sure I'm with you and we need to move those out (though it then begs the question of why you opted into Blake and Bran's 4th years anyway... but that's another matter). I haven't played enough with the Spurs cap sheet next year to know, but I'm sure the Spurs FO knows it like the back of their hand.

And of course, I only want the Spurs to trade as little as possible to get the deal done. But if it takes the CHI pick on top, I'm doing it. If they don't want Bran or Blake, no problem, I'm still doing it.

[TXstbobcat]

Was listening to local Houston sports talk a few minutes ago and they were salivating over a rockets trade with the Kings for Fox.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs definitely need to play hard ball and maybe even wait it out til the offseason. They gotta make sure to not give up too much for Fox who only has 1.5 years left on his deal.

[objective]

Gotta get medicals first to check out those hand injuries. If he's going to play hurt on it and wait for surgery that needs to lower the price bigly. There's a long sad history of guys playing through injuries and either never being the same or taking years to recover. Don't want to see him turn into another John Collins where a hand injury ruins him for a couple of extra seasons beyond it's initial scope.

Even then, the swap return needs to be counted as having tremendous value because it does.

I'm not even that interested in moving Vassell or Castle because they can be starting wings of the future albeit small.

They can take Sochan and move him to a third team for more assets. Keldon/Sochan/Tre + Better of ATL/SA 25 and better of ATL/SA 27 + swap return.

They could get another first for Sochan easy and make it 3 good firsts plus a valuable swap, that's good enough for a guy with a torn up hand

Can't give up everything or everyone because they really need a PF of the future. Barnes is washed and Sochan can only really defend perimeter players even if he was kept. He's not a screen and roll player and can't shoot.

[heyheymymy]

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT, YOU DON'T LIKE NBA BASKETBALL!

(can we also get their play by play guy?)

You want to "chop it up" with Mark Jones? lol they can send Kayte though (sorry)

[scott]

50 pages by midnight CT boys. No sleep 'til Foxtown.

[Dejounte]

I’m sorry, but I say just let Castle go tbh

[RC_Drunkford]

I agree, but there is a logistical cut off, which is the cap. If you're going to be over the cap anyway, saving another $5MM over the cap doesn't really matter in terms of what it allows you to do or not do. In fact, you might be better off having that $5MM expiring to pair with some SRPs to bring back a useful role player.

Now... if there is a FA you want (and I have my eyes on Aldama as an RFA, Laravia as a UFA, and Naz if he declines his PO) and there is a way to free up that cap space by moving these guys now, then for sure I'm with you and we need to move those out (though it then begs the question of why you opted into Blake and Bran's 4th years anyway... but that's another matter). I haven't played enough with the Spurs cap sheet next year to know, but I'm sure the Spurs FO knows it like the back of their hand.

And of course, I only want the Spurs to trade as little as possible to get the deal done. But if it takes the CHI pick on top, I'm doing it. If they don't want Bran or Blake, no problem, I'm still doing it.

if we ship out the same salary that we get back by getting Fox, we should have about 24 million in cap space (according to projections). If we also take back Huerter for CP3's expiring that becomes less, but we could open up significant space by moving Zach Collins' expiring 18 million for a bunch of 2nds.

Then you make a run at Alexander-Walker, LaRavia, Aldama, Naz Reid.