Why is the president so weak...

[Yonivore]

So Google agrees it was a trade war

Well, it's Google. But, since neither side ever imposed the threatened tariffs or retaliatory tariffs, it's not much of a war, is it?

And yeah, Trump bent the knee really quickly.

Please explain to me what you mean by 'bent the knee.'

[ChumpDumper]

No, they weren't. Name one thing Canada or Mexico was already doing when Trump threatened the tariffs.

I already told you. Mexico had already sent 10,000 and 15,000 troops to the border during the Trump and Biden administrations. that sure stopped fentanyl, didn't it? You wrote all about it at the time, right?

Canada had already announced their plan in December. You can't just wave a wand and implement a $1.3 billion program to address the 43 pounds of fentanyl crisis.

[Yonivore]

I already told you. Mexico had already sent 10,000 and 15,000 troops to the border during the Trump and Biden administrations. that sure stopped fentanyl, didn't it? You wrote all about it at the time, right?

Canada had already announced their plan in December. You can't just wave a wand and implement a $1.3 billion program to address the 43 pounds of fentanyl crisis.

And I've already responded to what you wrote.

They told Trump they would do things they were already doing and Trump acts like he forced them.

Really, when did Mexico commit to sending 10,000 National Guard troops to the Southern Border?

When did the Mexicans start taking on the cartels?

Cartel del Noreste leader arrested in Nuevo Laredo, triggering citywide gunfights

It appears it was yesterday.

Now, for Canada:

I just had a good call with President Trump. Canada is implementing our $1.3 billion border plan — reinforcing the border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border.

In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the border, launch a Canada- U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering. I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl and we will be backing it with $200 million.

Let's take at face value his assertion they were already implementing their $1.3 billion border plan. I'd welcome you providing support for this, Chumpy but, for the sake of THIS argument, when did Canada commit to the following:

Appointing a federal Fentanyl Czar.
Listing Cartels as terrorists.
24/7 surveillance of our Northern border.
Launching a Canada-U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl, and money laundering.
Executing a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl - committing $200 million to the effort.

According to his statement, these were in addition to his $1.3 billion border plan you think he was already doing. And, just when did Canada implement their $1.3 billion border plan?

it wasn't even announced until December 17, 2024:

Government of Canada announces its plan to strengthen border security and our immigration system

We can certainly disagree but, I find the timing su ious. After all, President Trump had made border security (Mexican and Canadian) a primary objective in his campaign. Could it be they came up with this plan to try and placate President Trump? When was the $1.3 billion border plan implemented? If you read the Canadian Press Release, the word "will" appears in almost every commitment made. Well, it appears that changed from will to "is" yesterday.

[Yonivore]

I already told you. Mexico had already sent 10,000 and 15,000 troops to the border during the Trump and Biden administrations. that sure stopped fentanyl, didn't it? You wrote all about it at the time, right?

Canada had already announced their plan in December. You can't just wave a wand and implement a $1.3 billion program to address the 43 pounds of fentanyl crisis.

You may recall, I wasn't active in the forum during the first Trump or the Biden administrations.

[ElNono]

Well, it's Google. But, since neither side ever imposed the threatened tariffs or retaliatory tariffs, it's not much of a war, is it?

You need to make up your mind before you reply. If Google was a good enough authority for your claim, then it's good enough for mine.

Was Google wrong, is that your claim?

Please explain to me what you mean by 'bent the knee.'

He backed down when Mexico and Canada called his bluff. Just the weak leader he's always been like in his first term, all talk.

[Yonivore]

You need to make up your mind before you reply. If Google was a good enough authority for your claim, then it's good enough for mine.

Was Google wrong, is that your claim?

They weren't wrong the Canada and Mexico folded in record time to the threat of tariffs.

He backed down when Mexico and Canada called his bluff. Just the weak leader he's always been like in his first term, all talk.

Actually, he gave them both 30 days to prove they're serious about addressing the border crisis.

[ChumpDumper]

You may recall, I wasn't active in the forum during the first Trump or the Biden administrations.

You obviously don't recall those deployments of 10,000 and 15,000 troops during the first Trump and Biden adminstrations.

Why is that?

Please explain since this is a very important issue to you and it's not like you just were told what to think this past week.

[Blake]

No, it's not. The 10% applies to all Chinese imports, while the 25% tariff was limited to particular items:

On April 3, 2018, the U.S. Trade Representative's office published an initial list of 1,300+ Chinese goods to impose levies upon, including products like flat-screen televisions, weapons, satellites, medical devices, aircraft parts and batteries.

You must've been educated by the Department of Eduction, tbh...

BTW, those tariffs (and this applies to Corpse Joe as well) were very costly to the US: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/0...ilout-00002333

Yoni must have been home schooled

[ElNono]

They weren't wrong the Canada and Mexico folded in record time to the threat of tariffs.

So they're correct it was a trade war.

Actually, he gave them both 30 days to prove they're serious about addressing the border crisis.

So he backed down.

[ElNono]

BTW, I wouldn't even pin this directly on Trump, tbh.

President Musk owns a car factory with the CCCP in China, that's why I was asking if the Tech Bros had incidence in being weak on China...

[Yonivore]

So they're correct it was a trade war. p

Okay, if it makes you feel like you got one over on me...it was a trade war. The shortest in history, during which no actual trade was affected.

So he backed down.

He backed down, they capitulated, that's yet to be seen.

Seriously, if Trump premised the imposition of tariffs on Canada and Mexico demonstrating they're serious about border security and they set about getting serious about border security, as it appears they've promised and have set about doing, why would Trump removing the threat of a tariff hike be seen as backing down? And, why would he stubbornly move forward with punitive tariffs if those he's threatened with them are doing what he'd demanding? I don't understand your logic.

It's as if you want Trump to fail in securing our borders by not causing our neighbors to be more responsive to a critical issue affecting our relationship.

Did Colombia or Trump back down when, under the threat of punitive tariffs, Colombia changed their position on accepting their citizens and going so far as offering to send the Presidential plane to pick them up.
Did Venezuela or Trump back down when, under the threat of punitive tariffs, Venezuela opted to do the same.
How about Panama, was it Panama or Trump who backed down when Panama stopped charging U. S. Military vessels for passage through the locks and committed to not renewing their contract with the Chinese next year.

If you this Trump has been backing down in all these instances, you have a strange idea of backing down. But, okay, I'll stop trying to convince you. You're now in the minority and your ilk little and diminishing power in how this administration is going to move forward over the next 4 years. If any the past couple of weeks are any indication, you're going to be a very unhappy person by 2028.

If Trump s everything up, you can put Kamala Harris in office.
If Trump accomplishes even a fraction of what he's proposed, I can see you voting for J. D. Vance in 2028. I know, my expectations are high.

[ElNono]

Okay, if it makes you feel like you got one over on me...it was a trade war. The shortest in history, during which no actual trade was affected.


He backed down, they capitulated, that's yet to be seen.

Seriously, if Trump premised the imposition of tariffs on Canada and Mexico demonstrating they're serious about border security and they set about getting serious about border security, as it appears they've promised and have set about doing, why would Trump removing the threat of a tariff hike be seen as backing down? And, why would he stubbornly move forward with punitive tariffs if those he's threatened with them are doing what he'd demanding? I don't understand your logic.

It's as if you want Trump to fail in securing our borders by not causing our neighbors to be more responsive to a critical issue affecting our relationship.

Did Colombia or Trump back down when, under the threat of punitive tariffs, Colombia changed their position on accepting their citizens and going so far as offering to send the Presidential plane to pick them up.
Did Venezuela or Trump back down when, under the threat of punitive tariffs, Venezuela opted to do the same.
How about Panama, was it Panama or Trump who backed down when Panama stopped charging U. S. Military vessels for passage through the locks and committed to not renewing their contract with the Chinese next year.

If you this Trump has been backing down in all these instances, you have a strange idea of backing down. But, okay, I'll stop trying to convince you. You're now in the minority and your ilk little and diminishing power in how this administration is going to move forward over the next 4 years. If any the past couple of weeks are any indication, you're going to be a very unhappy person by 2028.

If Trump s everything up, you can put Kamala Harris in office.
If Trump accomplishes even a fraction of what he's proposed, I can see you voting for J. D. Vance in 2028. I know, my expectations are high.

I did my part to not put Trump in office, and didn't work out. That's all I can do. Now I have zero problems with Trump ing up. I actually encourage him to.
I mean, he had one term and was an abject failure, so the bar is really low here, tbh, but if there's somebody that can repeat it, it's him.

I'm completely insulated from him and his politics as well. I'm in California, I'm not poor, I'm not gay... basically, he has no bearing on my happiness at all. I'm actually pretty sure I'll be thoroughly happy much sooner than 2028.
The only real concern is if he seeks a third term. That'd be problematic. But trump s here says that's not a thing.

The only thing yet to be seen is if the tariffs talk on Mexico and Canada is just that, all talk.

[Yonivore]

I did my part to not put Trump in office, and didn't work out. That's all I can do. Now I have zero problems with Trump ing up. I actually encourage him to.
I mean, he had one term and was an abject failure, so the bar is really low here, tbh, but if there's somebody that can repeat it, it's him.

I'm completely insulated from him and his politics as well. I'm in California, I'm not poor, I'm not gay... basically, he has no bearing on my happiness at all. I'm actually pretty sure I'll be thoroughly happy much sooner than 2028.
The only real concern is if he seeks a third term. That'd be problematic. But trump s here says that's not a thing.

The only thing yet to be seen is if the tariffs talk on Mexico and Canada is just that, all talk.

So, if his energy policy lowers the price of fuel, that doesn't affect you?

If the lower price of fuel reduces the cost of transportation of goods, that doesn't affect you?

If the lower cost of transportation results in lower prices at the store, that doesn't affect you?

If the lower prices at the store, results in lower inflation, that doesn't affect you?

Just asking.