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Observation. His shot no longer has the 45 degree axial rotation, and is going in at a 35% clip. It’s like some of you people don’t watch the ing games.
A 90/5 deal for Sochan, in terms of cap %, would be smaller than Keldon's deal and much smaller than Vassell's. A Vassell-level mistake would be giving Sochan something insane like 160/5.
4/48 is less than Tre Jones money, again in cap % terms. I don't think there's any way he signs something like that when he could potentially get a full MLE deal (77/4) from another team like Slo-Mo did.
Observation. His shot no longer has the 45 degree axial rotation, and is going in at a 35% clip. It’s like some of you people don’t watch the ing games.
The problem is he doesn’t want to shoot and only when he’s wide open, and even then sometimes he passed on open shots. The game commentators even make the call not to plant on Sochan “because he likes to pass.” On the other hand, Castle on his rookie year is shooting with gusto and showing much improvement, for someone who was also dubbed a non-shooter. Too different mentalities and affects negatively Sochan’s fit with the team. I was a proponent of Sochan before because I always thought Spurs X factor during championship years were the locked-on defenders, Elliot, Bruce, Kawhi/Danny. I was excited for Sochan to take that role. But his reluctance to shoot is very noticeable. He doesn’t try mid-range shots anymore at all, or maybe backdown smaller defenders, nada!
Sochan doesn't have any offense away from the basket. Should have drafted Duren who shoots better near the basket and is a better rebounder.
Whataboutisms are pointless. Should've drafted Jalen Williams, Walker Kessler and Max Christie in 2022 draft, but we didn't.
Some of us wanted Duren, others wanted Sochan.
35% on 1 3 a game
Where do you get your numbers from? Bc when I check you are way off on your numbers. Slomo is making 9 million a year. A far cry from 19 million you think he is making. And the most another team can offer Sochan with the full MLE is $56 million at 14 million a year. Way off from the 77 million as well.
It’s just smart business for the Spurs to offer him a lower contract and then match the 52 million if another team offers him one. Austin Reaves only signed a 12 million a year contract bc nobody made him an offer fearing the Lakers would just match. Roll the dice with Sochan too. Also Percentage of the cap doesn’t matter. We can’t have 3 bench players making a combined 65 million. That’s just horrible roster construction.
Now if we trade KJ and Vassell then we could pay Sochan that amount of money but it’s stupid to have 3 bench players making 20 million a year. I’ve never heard of a winning team that has that.
New rule for Spurstalk. When a player is making half a 3 per game. Nobody gets to brag about his shooting percentage. Keep in mind all Sochan gets are wide ass open looks where the defender doesn’t even bother to run out at him and he still averages half a three made per game.
Kyle Anderson's MLE contract with the Grizzlies was signed in 2018. It was 4 years starting at $8,641,000 and had 5% raises each year, which is the biggest MLE contract a team can offer to another team's player. The cap that year was around $102M so his contract started at 8.48% of the cap.
Currently the MLE is set at 9.12% of the cap and the cap projects to be $170M in 2026-2027, which would be the first year of Sochan's extension. That's a starting salary of $15.5M and a total of $70M over 4 years. I was wrong on the 77/4 part. Adding a 5th year brings it up to 90/5.
I totally disagree with the bolded part. imo % of the cap is the only thing that matters. It's the only way to make apples-to-apples comparisons across years, especially with the cap going up 10% a year. That's why I think a full MLE offer for Sochan in 2026 would be comparable to the Grizzlies' full MLE offer to Anderson 2018.
For the record, I am totally in favor of trading Vassell and KJ. I even said in the trade deadline thread that the Spurs should have tried to trade Vassell to the Wizards for Middleton straight up.
The discussion point is ‘has he been working on his shot?’, and the answer is clearly yes.35% on 1 3 a game
The posters that did want those guys can pat themselves on the back. I do remember people wanting Jalen Williams, can't remember about Walker Kessler or Max Christie, though. I do remember 1-2 people wanting Jalen Duren too. I don't know if the Spurs develpment staff is terrible these days or if they just made bad picks.
That’s bad drafting. Why in the world are you drafting someone with zero offensive ability and appears to not know how to play basketball? Coaches help with development but there has to be something there to work with to begin with.
A lot of this is on Pop thinking he can fix everyone. You can’t.
Because the trend was to find the next Draymond, and Spurs always had locked-down defenders. But Spurs get fixated and forget other tangibles. Likewise, Samanic was a stretch-4 ala Diaw, again failed to see his lack of motor/character, Primo - defensive guard like Danny, failed. Branham, a prolific shooter like Mills, Beli, Gary Neal, failed.
We already know the prototypical players the Spurs select as their recipe for success. Unfortunately those players they pick failed, because they may have some of that ideal player’s qualities, but lacking the other qualities. It seems the current scouts, and players development, are sub-par as they used to be, at least for the last 5 years, I say started with Lonnie. The last great pick was Derrick. Wemby and Castle are obvious choices, okay I give them Castle because they could’ve gotten Dilly like some of the posters here wanted.
Last edited by John B; 02-25-2025 at 01:20 PM.
If he can get a full MLE deal, then let him and then we just match it, he'll be a Restricted Free Agent in the summer of 2026. There's no reason to go out and give him the deal you "think" he can get on the open market... you can just let him get it and match. What's the rush to go out and potentially overpay a guy for no reason? That's the Vassell-level mistake.
Also, you keep repeating that $77MM over 4 would be a full MLE deal, which is just flat out wrong. The MLE is estimated at $14.1-15.5MM for 2026-27 (source). Even with Max 8% raises after year 1, that only comes out to $63.5-69.8MM over 4 years. You're out here giving away an extra 10-22% based on vibes.
Edit: I see you addressed the issue of what an MLE deal would look like above, so at least that is cleared up.
Last edited by scott; 02-25-2025 at 01:23 PM.
Imagine citing Sochan's shooting % and accusing other people not watching games
Sochan is starting to have the Simmon’s syndrome of reluctant shooting seriously. Other teams commentators already know.Imagine citing Sochan's shooting % and accusing other people not watching games
a lot of people here at the time wanted Duren. i didnt hear anybody saying they wanted j-dub at 9
Simmons was at least a great passer, Jeremy just passes it for the sake of it most of the time.
I can't think of a single non-shooting forward on playoff teams right now. Even Draymond is at 33% on 3.4 attempts.
I guess there's Giannis, but he can do whatever he wants.
% of the cap absolutely matters, I agree, but I think it's overused/misapplied when you're talking about bench players. It's easy to say "yeah, that's only 9% of the cap!) but all those %s add up fast when it's a bunch of bench-level players eating up.
At one point this season we had 59% of the cap tied up in Devin Vassell, Keldon Johnson, Zach Collins and Harrison Barnes. That's okay when you're not expecting much of your team and you've got Wemby and Castle only accounting for 15% of the cap... but that gets unsustainable pretty damn quickly when you actually want to win some games.
I'd actually be fine with Sochan getting an MLE-level extension, but we ened to move off of Devin and Keldon to be able to do it. And there is no reason to just give it to him, let Jeremy go out there and earn it next year and hit RFA. The risk is that he overperforms and now you have to pay him more, but it's a risk I'm willing to take because it doesn't look like he's about to take that big leap (and I actually like Sochan's trajectory).
Imo, Wesley and Branham picks were way bigger -ups.
At least Jeremy pick was reasonable, not many players in that range are better than him.
Spurs had #20 and #25 picks, missed out on: Braun, Kessler, Jovic, Watson, Nembhard, Jaylin Williams, Christie and Hardy.
They picked a no defense SG and a PG with no offensive game whatsoever instead.
I recall there being lots of JDub fans, it started out as hoping he'd be there with the TOR pick. I don't recall if people were advocating him as high as 9 though. I do recall that Sochan was the overwhelming favorite of the board.
Just goes to show, the SpursTalk Zeitgeist is far from a crystal ball.
The truth is, the entire draft is a crap shoot, including #1 some years. Spot #9 isn’t somewhere you should expect a hit. The last All Star drafted at that spot was Gordon Hayward in 2010.
You people knob slobber Presti,but it’s almost like you’ve forgotten Giddey, Dieng, and Poku. Everyone misses.
i dont think anybody minded the branham/wesley picks at the time either
I thought Branham was a steal tbh. So did Jay Bilas, who called him the steal of the 1st Round
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