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i know. i think i was pointing to their staff's general reluctance to play freshman and him sort of forcing their hand. his minutes did increase along the way, and the on-off metrics were favorable to him iirc
i like bryant quite a bit. there is the odd mock every now and again that has him going late lotto, ive seen him go top 10 once in a blue as well.
and his defensive versatility, and his shooting/physicality on offense makes him a very piece to use in a teambuilding perspective. like, as much as we love castle, he is somewhat restrictive on teambuilding. we constantly have to remind ourselves "we cant play player x next to castle" (so far). theres none of that with guys like Bryant, or as you said, Risacher. and they're much more than just shooters like a McNeeley (not that theres no use for that).
bryant does look more pro ready than Fleming. with Fleming you are just getting the additional elements of rebounding and rim protection, the ability to play both forward spots (potentially) and some small 5. they're different prospects, but i like both. i would not be mad with a draft where we took both.
i know. i think i was pointing to their staff's general reluctance to play freshman and him sort of forcing their hand. his minutes did increase along the way, and the on-off metrics were favorable to him iirc
I like both Fleming and Carter too. But if we pick both, then we lose out on Kon which is a big no-no.
So, I hope we get into top 4 and trade down for 2 picks. Say, trade #4 for #7 and #10.
Then we pick Kon at #8; carter at #10 and Fleming #13. This will be my dream picks.
If anyone agree with me, please pray with me for this to happen!
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I agree about the big 3 which makes me think Spurs FO could also trade out for a vet if they can't get the player(s) they feel will fit in and produce sooner than later. Most likely applies to the 2nd 1st rd pick vs the 1st one though unless they fall to the 11th pick in lottery and have a favorable trade on the table.
Sadly, we are the only team with 2 possible lottery picks so trading down like that wouldn't be feasible. I wouldn't mind trying to trade any of our non-big3 to add a 3rd draft pick in the 5-14 range though. Or trading our 2nd rounder into the 1st if someone like Wolf or Yaxel Lendeborg is still available.I like both Fleming and Carter too. But if we pick both, then we lose out on Kon which is a big no-no.
So, I hope we get into top 4 and trade down for 2 picks. Say, trade #4 for #7 and #10.
Then we pick Kon at #8; carter at #10 and Fleming #13. This will be my dream picks.
If anyone agree with me, please pray with me for this to happen!
No matter what religion you believe, or no religion at all, all prayers work. Just like each bite of food gives us nutrition, overtime it adds up and effects show up.
Tre Johnson remains extremely intriguing to me, although he probably goes top 5. I'd consider trying to move up to get him.
Question marks are really defensive. Can he be average, with less offensive workload? In a way he's what Dillingham was hoped to be -- only bigger and stronger and not a complete waste on that end, if not the pure pg and scorer.
If you think he can be an average defender, you've got to really think about him, and I'm neck and neck between him and Knueppel at this point.
Pure scorer, but with the ability of playing off-ball to a high degree. His usage was high, so you'd need him to scale back. He wasn't an insane self-creator due to athletic limitations and a failure of Texas to initiate anything for him, but he was still highly effective. As this vid notes, his passing is actually much better than the UT results indicate at first blush.
And his main drawback offensively is a lack of rim pressure, but that's where you want to leave for Wemby, Fox, and Castle. Kick-outs to Tre would be tremendous.
id take johnson over kon any day lol. just a different level shooter. kon is very accurate and sound. johnson has shown much more as a movement shooter. can shoot off balance reminiscent of marco in his days for us.
i just never really considered him because he's unlikely to fall to 8 and he's also not a better prospect than the top 4 guys. if kon rises and johnson falls to us i'd be thrilled
The Spurs don’t need a “movement shooter” tbh. If our big three are generating good looks, they don’t need the extra movement from shooters. It’s why Champagnie did so much better than Vassell. It took forever for Vassell to realize he’s not the man and he doesn’t need to do anything flashy to get his shot up, and he’s still struggling with that. If Tre needs to learn to “scale back”, then it’s already a failure. This is why when I watch these guys play I imagine as if they’re 10 year vets. I try not to overestimate how much they have to “change” to be the idealized player we have in our heads. Because the truth is they don’t change much.
My dream draft after top 2.
#8 Queen - bruiser big to help Wemby with rebounding and checking physical bigs
#15 Fleming - True PF with defensive upside and ability to hit the 3. Insurance for Sochan
#38 Boogie Fland - exciting backup PG, elite handles and multi-dimensional scorer, averages 5 assists
Last edited by John B; 04-18-2025 at 02:44 PM.
Vecenie has generally be low on Tre Johnson, but recently reported that he watched his workout in SoCal and it was one of the best pre-draft workouts he's ever seen.
So you’re saying he’s Primo-ing his draft stock up (or secure his ill-earned draft reputation). No thanks
Last edited by Dejounte; 04-18-2025 at 03:54 PM.
he looks like an absolutely special shooter with a lot more to his offensive game than that. i never thought he'd be available at 8, and didnt think he was good enough to supplant bailey/vj if we moved up, so he's been off my radar draft wise
Totally agree with Dejounte! Tre is more value than Kon for most other teams, but not Spurs.
Huh? How does that make any sense?
I mean, he can also be a spot up shooter? And... because Vassell isn't great at certain types of shots then those shots can't be valuable? The reasoning here is baffling.
Tre’s your guy you’ve latched onto for some time now and any energy spent here will be wasted. The tape on Tre is bad, that’s my opinion and while my opinion isn’t unwavering and can change depending on new information… it looks less and less likely because of how poor he is as a prospect, in my eyes. I trust what I formulated because I’ve gotten good at this over the years, though I’ll never be perfect.
strong disagree. you arent always generating standstill catch and shoot looks. maybe in the corner, sure. from otherwise you are often sliding and positioning yourself based on where the ballhandler is. being able to have off-ball action will not only free up a shooter but also provides a diversion to the defense giving your stars more leeway to do their thing without the entire defense focused on them.
movement shooting is what can really unlock offenses. its what MPJ provides for Denver. its why Cam Johnson has been coveted. its what made both Klay and Steph special. Korver. etc. no im not saying im expecting Tre to be as good a shooter as those greats, but its a very different element for an offense than standstill shooting. it creates more chaos for defenders which also gives you even easier closeouts to beat.
Last edited by spurraider21; 04-18-2025 at 05:12 PM.
I'm just reporting that someone who isn't high on Tre Johnson reported he had an impressive workout.
Considering Tre has been considered a top-10 pick pretty much all season, I'm not seeing the comparison to Primo.
I put “movement shooter” in quotes because of the context you had in your original post where it seemed like you defined it as shooting off balance like Marco. So I was referring to that type of shooter— step back 3’s, the need to dribble before putting up the shot… not the movement without the ball part. In that area, I think Kon is way better. Tre has to ISO a lot for his looks, and hasn’t presented much off ball movement opportunities as proven by his high usage rate.
I put “movement shooter” in quotes because of the context you had in your original post where it seemed like you defined it as shooting off balance like Marco. So I was referring to that type of shooter— step back 3’s, the need to dribble before putting up the shot… not the movement without the ball part. In that area, I think Kon is way better. Tre has to ISO a lot for his looks, and hasn’t presented much off ball movement opportunities as proven by his high usage rate.
It’s a point (or joke) that didn’t land. I was trying to make the equivalence from a prospect raising his stock (or maintaining it) from his non-actual game activities, much like Primo did.
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I've always thought of "movement shooter" as a shooter who moves off the ball. Steph Curry being the best and most famous of the movement shooter archetype
By comparison, the Harden archetype (step back threes, dribble threes) being classified in the "primary ball handler" archetype
yes and it often involves off platform or leaning shots because you are curling off a screen or in a full sprint when catching the ball and you dont have time to stop, dribble, check your feet, and shoot.
Yeah, I think being a movement shooter is exceptionally hard. And if a player can do that, it's even harder for them to be guarded.
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