Sochan brings nothing special enough to warrant him a keeper and he can be easily replaced by dozens of other NBA players
He shouldnt, but literally draft lottery and this offseason sets this roster for next 2-3 years, before Wemby`s and Fox`s deals are taking 2/3 of cap space. So the Sochan`s next deal must fit with those two.
Same goes for Vasell and Keldon - do you keep them for 2-3 years or not, and who can replace them.
All three of them are expendable, tbh.
Keldon probably has the best value, but I would be surprised to see other teams clamoring for any of them.
Spurs took a long shot with Sochan...and they missed. It's fine, it happens in the draft.
But don't double-down on a bad bet by giving him a ty contract that no one wants. Just let him walk. At a certain point, you have to cut your losses.
He seems like a great guy, but he also isn't going to help us win a lot of basketball games.
Let’s hope so, Dex.
The front office still seems to be on that philosophy where they hand out loyalty contracts to players that may not even deserve them. That should be less of a thing now that we have a solid big 3 core to build around. Sadly, I see them overpaying Sochan.
I’m glad most fans here aren’t delusional sochan has not improved at all as well as never being available. I’m totally out on him. So yeah 12 mil to 15 mill for 4 years max and I’d be happy there anything over that we are overpaying drastically but knowing he spurs he’ll get a 4 yr140 contact
The Spurs should look at Patrick Williams as to what can happen when you hand out 5/$90M for potential and ‘hope’ for guys with good physical tools but low skills, drive, work ethic etc.
Do we think Sochan is the type of guy that loves the game where he will put in the work to improve after getting a payday? I don’t think so. I would be ok with something between 4/$60M and 4/$70M an absolute max, anymore than that I’m letting him walk or trading.
Dude has shown zero improvement from day 1. Seriously he has the exact same counting stats as his rookie year. All he can do is dunk the ball offensively. It’s embarrassing that he is an NBA player tbh. Dude is a poor mans Ben Simmons. I doubt he’s on this team in 2027. He’s going the Lonnie Walker route tbh
Sochan can’t do too many things but saying he can’t rebound and play defence is just asinine.
The Sochan hate in this forum is really nauseating.
Sochan is a bad shooter, yes. But he is a good rebounder, a very good perimeter defender and who efforts well as a big as well, sound as a cutter and screen setter and generally a plus while on the floor. He has improved his defense a lot to get within the 88th percentile (according to EPM), the same as someone like Toumani Camara who has been touted as one of the best defenders in the league. He is a proven 1-4 defender who offers possibly the best on ball defense for the Spurs outside of Wemby (who is already one of the all-time best defenders in the league).
If his shooting came around, Sochan would be an all-Star. But as good as he is now, he is a valuable role player for the Spurs. Someone like a Dorian Finney-Smith for the Lakers or Luguentz Dort for the Thunder. Now both Finney-Smith and Dort are much older and Sochan can be better when he gets to their age and to that extent, the Spurs should invest in him.
IMO, in terms of expendables, Keldon Johnson (no 3, no D, but hustle and bully-ball which works only against select opponents) is the first asset that should come to mind, if the Spurs are looking to upgrade on the wing (to get someone like Cam Johnson) or the blocks (John Collins). Vassell has also been disappointing and if the Spurs need to trade him to get Kevin Durant (too expensive and too moody for my liking) or say Derrick White (if the Celtics are desperate to get below their aprons), Vassell should be part of trade discussions, but short of getting strong All-Star upgrades, Vassell can still be persisted with to find out if he gels well with the Fox-Wemby-Castle-2025-Draft-Pick-core.
I was probably a little harsh.
His rebounding is fine. 9.3 Per 36 isn't anything to write home about, but he's the 2nd best rebounder on the team behind Wemby. The team, as a whole, seems to struggle in this department outside of Wemby who is 10-feet-tall.
The defense...I still don't see it. Again, he tries hard, but he also misses rotations or just gets himself into trouble in that regard. He is not a terrible defender, but I also don't miss him when he is not on the floor.
Again, good guy...team seems to love him. I just don't see him being a vital part of the future based upon the flaws in his game. If he were to get traded this summer, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
The problem with this line of thinking is if I ask you to show me one Sochan lineup without Victor in it that is even top 12 in the league defensively, you can't because Sochan trash ass aint never been in a good defensive lineup that doesn't have Victor in it since being drafted, unlike Camara, who has been in multiple above average defenses lineups for the blazers
What podcast told you guys that Sochan was a good defender? He has legit been on some of the worst defenses lineups in the history of the spurs but you guys somehow take that fact and turn it into "Sochan is a great defender cause of some advanced stat that doesn't make much logical sense"
I'd give anything to trade this bum but unfornately looks like we are stuck with him cause every other team in the league other than the spurs and bulls are purging their non shooting tweener bigs and look at how sochan and pat williams of worked for both of those teams
In order to explain away the awful team defense metrics with Sochan in non Victor lineups you have to believe that the 4 other players are bottom of the barrel terrible but sochan is somehow good and it's all their fault the team defense metrics are terrible and not at all Sochan fault. Ridiculous.
His offensive rebounding is quite strong statistically although I concede part of that is due to the opposition just leaving him wide open all the time so he can just sneak in for them.
He is a decent roll man and great cutter, and again, he’s left open for a reason.
The team in general lacks basic rebounding techniques which is a coaching issue more than anything. And quite surprising as those are just Jv level stuff.
Defensively he’s a very good perimeter one on one player who isn’t strong or long enough to be a high level post defender. But he can serve in a pinch. His rotations arent crisp but then there aren’t any system to speak of so I’m not even sure if there is a right rotation to begin with.
By adding stupid emojis you won't make a coherent argument. You are indeed a poopbox.The problem with this line of thinking is if I ask you to show me one Sochan lineup without Victor in it that is even top 12 in the league defensively, you can't because Sochan trash ass aint never been in a good defensive lineup that doesn't have Victor in it since being drafted, unlike Camara, who has been in multiple above average defenses lineups for the blazers
What podcast told you guys that Sochan was a good defender? He has legit been on some of the worst defenses lineups in the history of the spurs but you guys somehow take that fact and turn it into "Sochan is a great defender cause of some advanced stat that doesn't make much logical sense"
I'd give anything to trade this bum but unfornately looks like we are stuck with him cause every other team in the league other than the spurs and bulls are purging their non shooting tweener bigs and look at how sochan and pat williams of worked for both of those teams
In order to explain away the awful team defense metrics with Sochan in non Victor lineups you have to believe that the 4 other players are bottom of the barrel terrible but sochan is somehow good and it's all their fault the team defense metrics are terrible and not at all Sochan fault. Ridiculous.
Sochan in non-Victor lineups -
Lineup 1 - K. Johnson - D. Vassell - J. Champagnie - J. Sochan - S. Castle, Mins: 49; DefRtg: 102.7 NEtRtg: 18.4
Lineup 2 - C. Paul - K. Johnson - D. Vassell - J. Sochan - S. Castle, Min: 40; DefRtng: 97.8, NetRtg: 18.1
These are just two examples. The lineup ratings are poor only when Sochan shares space with Harrison Barnes and Keldon Johnson being played together. These two were our worst defenders this season. Even when Wemby plays with them, the lineup's defensive ratings are relatively bad. (According to EPM).
And go read up on EPM, if you want to graduate from being a moron. Its the gold standard in advanced statistics.
According to EPM, Sochan was our best defender after Wemby. Its a per minute and lineup adjusted statistic.
Wemby was on some of the worst defensive lineups as well. I’m not going to blame him.The problem with this line of thinking is if I ask you to show me one Sochan lineup without Victor in it that is even top 12 in the league defensively, you can't because Sochan trash ass aint never been in a good defensive lineup that doesn't have Victor in it since being drafted, unlike Camara, who has been in multiple above average defenses lineups for the blazers
What podcast told you guys that Sochan was a good defender? He has legit been on some of the worst defenses lineups in the history of the spurs but you guys somehow take that fact and turn it into "Sochan is a great defender cause of some advanced stat that doesn't make much logical sense"
I'd give anything to trade this bum but unfornately looks like we are stuck with him cause every other team in the league other than the spurs and bulls are purging their non shooting tweener bigs and look at how sochan and pat williams of worked for both of those teams
In order to explain away the awful team defense metrics with Sochan in non Victor lineups you have to believe that the 4 other players are bottom of the barrel terrible but sochan is somehow good and it's all their fault the team defense metrics are terrible and not at all Sochan fault. Ridiculous.
And of lineups on the spurs with over 30mins, sochan is on and wemby is not on the 2nd 4th and 6th best defensive lineups (based on drating). Obviously wemby is on the 1st 3rd and 5th best defensive lineups.
The biggest issue with him as a non shooting forward/big, is they don't even get the typical benefits of one, in terms of rim protection, defensive rebounding and post defense.
It's also tough to invest in a C who provides that because he can't play next to them, which means either has to be tethered to Wembanyama, making it difficult to get to five out lineups.
Get rid of him. It's time for all the dead weight and players we keep waiting on to become somebody to go
I'll give Sochan one more season imo. Eldon and Assell can go though.
Ship all 3 of their asses out, tbh.
Any young player who won't show up to camp with a reliable three pointer has no place on this rotation. I guarantee Victor is hoisting up threes and listening to the feedback from that thing hanging on the wall.
“The only way”. To have somebody take pictures of you, holding the form of a jumper, without a ball in sight….
The good news is rather we draft Bailey or Harper it guarantees that either Sochan or Devin will spend more time in the chairs that Wesley and Branhim were in last year
Bailey is too short and is fool's gold. Don't overthink it. Get Harper, and you'll have a player like Dwayne Wade.
Is copper Flagg too short? Because they’re the same height and Bailey has more length
Harper is going to end up being the second best player behind Wemby on the Spurs.
Spurs better count their luck in getting him and not even think about trading him.
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