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Yeah, because an altercation with our coach is likely fatal.
He got into an altercation with a coach in Indy, so, probably not.
Yeah, because an altercation with our coach is likely fatal.
This is very astute.
I do think there is an appe e to see the group together in its new configuration post-Fox (and emergence of Castle). I don’t think they expected to land Fox when they did (and for the price), and I wonder if that rejiggered their plans some for this offseason.
Well,that,plus the whole altercation with a coach mindset. It’s why I laugh when people propose signing Bobby Portis. You can try to spin it any way you want, but he punched and hospitalized a teammate. The Spurs are never signing Bobby Portis.
It is a completely different team with a lead guard.
Dev as the 6th man, bench scoring punch would be great actually. It’s what they probably hoped Malaki could become in his best case outcome.
Yeah,we’re gonna run it back, just with De’Aaron Fox instead of Tre Jones, Zach Collins, and Sidy Cissoko.
Dev making 10x though he should stfu and chuck off the bench.
The idea of Vassell replacing Branham in the rotation is appealing.
Here's what it's starting to look like to me:
- we draft a role playing minor contributor (at least in year 1) like Kon, Sorber, Fleming, or even Johnson depending on where we pick
- add 2 FA from the Reid, Yabusele, Aldama, LaRavia grab bag, with various other possibilities
- trade the Hawks pick for the future ala Dillingham
- say goodbye to CP3, Bassey, Mamu, McLaughlin, Biyombo & Branham
- Add a wildcard waiver-wire vet, minor trade or bring up someone from the Austin team
Dev should stay barring a trade for a better wing player, I don't see a clear upgrade in this draft unless you like the nipple. The realistic target for that last starter should be Naz or Keegan. SAC needs a point and our pick is in range of some lead guards. Any combination of one of our picks, SAC swap and Sochan should work. SAC is heading into a fire sale and they have no use for a 25 year old role player. Keegan gives you the elusive big wing defense + shooting that you can start alongside Castle. Fox-Dev-Castle-Keegan-Wemby is a pretty balance and sustainable lineup. The alternative is Fox-Dev-Castle-Naz-Wemby you have more lineup flexibility between first and second unit but no true wing stopper. If not the last option is Cam Johnson maybe for KJ and swapping 25 picks.
Unless they're more interested in Durant (they should be) than the reporting has indicated, expect the superfluous Gafford to be the lone casualty of their front court logjam, as a linchpin of a trade for a starting caliber creator.
Even with Davis' preference to masquerade as a PF, they still need to be able to get to him at C, which makes Washington vital.
Reid more than likely isn't going anywhere. Alexander-Walker (with Clark in waiting as the in-house replacement) and possibly Randle (Durant trade?) are the likely casualties.
Aldama more than likely isn't going anywhere. They attached their 1st to salary dump Smart to free up space to renegotiate with Jackson Jr. and extend him.
Good idea. I'd probably do 8 and Sochan for Murray and it's likely more tenable than Johnson, given that the Nets project to pick ahead of the Spurs anyway while having 3 other 1sts.
Johnson is a better shooter than Murray, but the latter is a better defender and four years younger. Neither provides the rebounding or physicality they need in a forward though, but that could be addressed through backup C.
14+Keldon for Cam Johnson+mid 20's pick
Vassell + Malaki + 2nds for KCP and WCJ
Draft CMB, Walter Clayton Jr with mid 20's pick
Base lineup:
Fox/KCP/Cam Johnson/CMB/Wembanyama
Castle/Walter Clayton Jr/Champagnie/Barnes/Wendell Carter Jr
Castle doesn't start but plays 30+ minutes a night and closes.
You can pretty much fill in any draft pick of your choice here, I'm personally a fan of CMB because I buy high-feel prospects, his defensive scheme-versatility, and the ability to become another strength-based creator in the future. However if you like Fleming, Queen, Essengue, etc. this also works.
I buy Clayton Jr. as way more than your typical Bryn Forbes-level scrub. He's older, but he's taken and made a higher volume of self-created 3s than any draft prospect in recent memory. Combine that with solid movement shooting, decent ballhandling/passing, and the ability to step his game up during the tournament, and I see him as cross between Malik Beasley and Payton Pritchard (both of whom are 6MOY contenders this year)
Carter is having a down year but he's 1 year removed from shooting >2 3PM/100, suggesting at least league-average shooter. KCP is also having a down year from 3 but is also a year removed from shooting almost 3 3PM/100. Both are good buy low candidates on reasonable contracts who are good low-usage players and contribute on the defensive end.
This gives you a decent number of pieces to mix and match for different lineups. Don't want Wemby setting screens all day long? CMB/WCJ give you enough beef to do that and box out with rebounding.
Need shooters around Castle/Fox + Wemby? You've got 3 big wing shooters in Barnes/Champagnie/Cam Johnson, a 3 and D guy in KCP, and a potential flamethrower in Clayton Jr.
You're not spending a ton of resources developing young rookies, as Clayton is going to be 23 and should be able to step in within the first 2 years. You've got a nice mix of vets, mid-career guys, and younger guys. Your development is focused on Castle, 2025 draft pick, and actually Champagnie who I'm still higher on than most (highest 3PM/100 on the entire team at 4.5, was legitimately good at the beginning of the year before getting his minutes cut inexplicably).
You're sort of vulnerable to big wing creators, but that was actually why I chose CMB vs some of the other guys, as I think his strength + IQ fills in the gap left by decreasing Sochan's role here.
I'm not sure what exactly to do with Sochan here, ideally I'd like to keep him on a 4/50-60 contract to see if his shooting ever comes along and as a guy I can just throw on the opponent's best wing to cool him off but not sure if he'd be happy with that role
I'm liking the idea of Yabusele more and more. They can probably sign him at a deal like the one they gave Tre Jones (19M/2yrs). Maybe even tack on a team option on a third year.
You misspelled appalling. $30 million for a deep bench scrub ouch, please just trade this bum.
That’s a very well balanced squad. I would gladly do those trades. They are fair but not sure there is quite enough for the Nets and Magic to accept. I do think Vassell to the Magic is one of his better fits across the league. He could a lot in next to Suggs in the backcourt and they have Black off the bench for more defense and playmaking.
The assistant coach was suspended after that incident, so it was at least as much his fault as Goga’s.
Also, the Spurs kept Primo after multiple incidents where he exposed himself to women in hotels and later also exposed himself multiple times to the mental health professional assigned to help him with his issues… this notion that their moral ground is so astoundingly high that they’d pass on a helpful player with one single incident on his record seems unlikely.
It doesn’t even have to be about moral high ground. You just don’t want chaos bringers in your locker room.
Again, one single incident, years ago. The Spurs dealt with Stephen Jackson multiple times, and he far more behavioral issues.
Read a click bait article about sending out Keldon, Barnes, both '25 picks, the '30 swap pick and 2 seconds for Sabonis. Just some guy throwing stuff against the wall but I don't know if Sabonis fits with Wemby.
There's no way I let Sacto even finish the call before I hang up on them..
I've been ruminating over a couple of haymakers. Well, one haymaker and one FA signing. Basically send Vassell and KJ to Denver for MPJ. Salaries don't match out of the gate, but they're close enough that it becomes more of an accounting problem than a basketball problem to complete a deal here.
It gives Denver some much needed depth, and with luck Jamael Murray and Vassell would offset each other's cold streaks. Furthermore, I might try to push the 2025 ATL pick to Denver as well in exchange for similar draft capital three or four years down the road. Assuming that 2025 ATL pick could develop into a rotational piece by next year for Denver (and that's how this deal is sold to Denver), that's three rotational pieces in exchange for MPJ as Jokic's championship window remains red hot. ... and maybe Denver gains flexibility around the 1st apron too (damfino!). And we can feel good as fans for having sent out the Friendship core to a great situation.
And then... Sign FA Brook Lopez (make it a top-heavy deal and friendly towards Wemby's extension).
and then ... resign CP3 ... recognizes Spurs are his only path to ring(s) and signs for minimum (with opportunity to recoup $$$ as future gead coach)
and then ... extend Wesley (something modest)
and then... NO AND THEN!! ...the missing discussion point here is Sochan's extension. I'm a Sochan fan, but I don't see a meaty role for him on a roster with Lopez and MPJ added to the mix, especially if there's more development to reap from Champ's game on defense.
Starting lineup: Wemby, Lopez, MPJ, Castle, & Fox
Rotational: CP3, Barnes, Sochan, Champaignie, 1.08
The Rest: Biyombo, Ingram, G-Leaguers, whatever...
THC supplies are low. brb
i like the idea of MPJ more than the player. positional size, elite spacer with his high release, dynamic shooting and off-ball movement. and is a lot more than just a shooter, let alone a corner camper.
but his defense has always oscillated between bad and passably bad, and he's paid 38 and 40 mil the next 2 years, which is too much for a glass cannon that doesnt do a ton of self-creation
MPJ is more interesting in theory than in practice, and he struggles to be impactful in a perfect situation where Jokic controls the offense, Gordon does the dirty work, and Murray is the #2 option. I think he has become a more complete player in recent years, but the injury history and the salary are just too much to take on. I think the question to ask is if Denver is thinking about trading him in the middle of their le run years with Nikola, where les are an actual possibility, what would be the benefit of him playing with a team that's trying to build towards that reality?
Last edited by R. DeMurre; 04-23-2025 at 02:24 PM.
i do think denver will want to move him if they realize that the current interation of the roster isnt working. they'd keep jamal and then its a question of how else they can maneuver? its trading Gordon or MPJ, and i think the return for MPJ will be gerater. they're vastly overpaying Gordon and i dont think hed be as impactful in many other places
I think if they see it isn’t working, they would rather trade Jamal. His contract is longer and more expensive.
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