Our Spurs should trade the farm for Giannis!

[CGD]

My top secret inside sources tell me that Giannis is all but a done deal. Giannis has had a strong interest in coming to San Antonio but has beef with Popovich because Pop once said Greek Wine is (which it probably is, I can’t confirm).

Giannis is willing to publicly state he will only go to San Antonio to put pressure on MIL, but Pop stepping down at HC was a pre-requisite because of their long standing feud.

My inside source tells me it’s a package centered around Sochan, Branham and some SRPs for Giannis.

How many SRP, though? Sounds steep

[CGD]

That’s an interesting 3 way with NOLA and MIL featuring Zion to MIL. Plus I think the Spurs had basically sent Keldon to New Orleans before DJ got hurt, so there is some working relationship there. Hmm… 🤔

[CGD]

That’s an interesting 3 way with NOLA and MIL featuring Zion to MIL. Plus I think the Spurs had basically sent Keldon to New Orleans before DJ got hurt, so there is some working relationship there. Hmm… 🤔

And there is a very similar three way framework but with ATL (Trae) instead of NOLA (Zion). Atlanta maybe motivated to get their 2027 pick back, etc.

[spursistan]

Exactly.

Maybe I'm off my rocker, but I don't think the Spurs should or will pursue him to the fullest extent or that he'd want to come here.

He's 30 and plays a style where his decline, which has begun (still a top 3-4 player), should be more precipitous and steeper than the average MVP caliber player and since he can't space the floor and is too great to settle for being a rim running vertical spacer, he has to remain the offensive centerpiece.

Wembanyama is obviously too great a talent to reduce to merely being a souped up version of Lopez and though they're both skilled enough to work either end of the p-n-r some, neither is a primary ball handler.

I see him wanting a situation where he can maintain being the clear cut best player, not contribute to furthering the "legacy" of a fellow big with the potential to usurp him in the GOAT ranking.

Agreed on that. And not to mention these in-prime superstar player movement rarely, if ever, go the small market-to-small market route. Those players are not uprooting their families/camps from Milwaukee to Oklahoma or San Antonio. It would be more palatable for the 28 year-old fashionista wife do it if she is relocating to NY/Miami. I think Giannis will dictate where he goes even if it results in less than optimal package for the Bucks. As someone said above, this has certainly reached the Wolves/Garnett stage where it is best for both sides to move on. I would be surprised if he doesn't ask out this summer.

[mo7888]

Agreed on that. And not to mention these in-prime superstar player movement rarely, if ever, go the small market-to-small market route. Those players are not uprooting their families/camps from Milwaukee to Oklahoma or San Antonio. It would be more palatable for the 28 year-old fashionista wife do it if she is relocating to NY/Miami. I think Giannis will dictate where he goes even if it results in less than optimal package for the Bucks. As someone said above, this has certainly reached the Wolves/Garnett stage where it is best for both sides to move on. I would be surprised if he doesn't ask out this summer.

Jake Fischer has recently said we have interest in KD and Giannis. What would the packages look like for either guy? Giannis is obviously the better player right now, but KD should cost less and he's a good fit with his shooting.

[Ice009]

Jake Fischer has recently said we have interest in KD and Durant. What would the packages look like for either guy? Giannis is obviously the better player right now, but KD should cost less and he's a good fit with his shooting.

KD and who? You had a typo there. Who is the other player that Fischer said the Spurs are interested in?

I'm kind of interested in AD if it wasn't for his injury history and lack of availability, he's someone I've been interested in trying to get for a while. However, he's getting up there in age and I don't think I'd want to pay what the Mavericks would be looking for to get him. Probably better to go for Lively or someone else instead.

[Chillen]

I think Giannis is going to cost the Spurs to much and Durant might be a better option next to Wemby and Fox. Of course if Giannis asks out you explore it he is a great player but so is KD. Suns are basically going to want a good young player and a boatload of picks for Durant. Giannis would likely cost us Castle and a ton of depth and picks.

[Ice009]

I think Giannis is going to cost the Spurs to much and Durant might be a better option next to Wemby and Fox. Of course if Giannis asks out you explore it he is a great player but so is KD. Suns are basically going to want a good young player and a boatload of picks for Durant. Giannis would likely cost us Castle and a ton of depth and picks.

I'm ignoring the fit on offense a little when looking at Giannis (if he becomes available), but more looking at defense. What do you guys think the defensive potential would be like with both Victor and Giannis? You think that could offset the offense probably not being smooth with the two of them (unless they can get some good 3 & D guys)?

[mo7888]

KD and who? You had a typo there. Who is the other player that Fischer said the Spurs are interested in?

I'm kind of interested in AD if it wasn't for his injury history and lack of availability, he's someone I've been interested in trying to get for a while. However, he's getting up there in age and I don't think I'd want to pay what the Mavericks would be looking for to get him. Probably better to go for Lively or someone else instead.

Thank you. I'll go correct that... KD and Giannis

[mo7888]

I think Giannis is going to cost the Spurs to much and Durant might be a better option next to Wemby and Fox. Of course if Giannis asks out you explore it he is a great player but so is KD. Suns are basically going to want a good young player and a boatload of picks for Durant. Giannis would likely cost us Castle and a ton of depth and picks.

I really don't think anyone is going to give Phoenix a 'boatload' of picks for KD anymore and they're already committed to moving him.

[RC_Drunkford]

We‘re not getting any of them. Our major signing will be Mason Plumlee

[mo7888]

We‘re not getting any of them. Our major signing will be Mason Plumlee

That could be, but if I remember correctly, Jake has a pretty good track record re: Spurs moves.

[CGD]

Jake Fischer has recently said we have interest in KD and Giannis. What would the packages look like for either guy? Giannis is obviously the better player right now, but KD should cost less and he's a good fit with his shooting.

The gossip girls speculate that MIL would demand their picks back from NOP, so some are speculating on a three way deal featuring Zion to MIL. Setting aside the thorny picks convo, this framework for a draft day deal works on the numbers:

SAS: Giannis; Kuzma’s contract
MIL: Zion; Devin
NOP: Keldon; Barnes’ contract

In this scenario I would assume, at a minimum, that we’d send our best 25FRP to NOP, our other to 25FRP to MIL, and NOP would send MIL at least one of their FRPs back.

[Ice009]

The gossip girls speculate that MIL would demand their picks back from NOP, so some are speculating on a three way deal featuring Zion to MIL. Setting aside the thorny picks convo, this framework for a draft day deal works on the numbers:

SAS: Giannis; Kuzma’s contract
MIL: Zion; Devin
NOP: Keldon; Barnes’ contract

In this scenario I would assume, at a minimum, that we’d send our best 25FRP to NOP, our other to 25FRP to MIL, and NOP would send MIL at least one of their FRPs back.

Would you trade the 2025 first rounds picks without first seeing where they land in the lottery? Like, I assume they hold more value before knowing where the pick ends up (unless the Spurs 2025 pick ends up number 1, then I guess that value goes way, way up, but then would you trade it?).
If a trade were to be done beforehand, I'd hold onto the 2025 pick and include a different/future first round pick. I'm still wanting to take the chance that we could get lucky in the lottery, but it's probably best to trade it before seeing the result (probably holds more value overall that way).

[Russ]

Giannis would probably eat Mitch Johnson for breakfast (just ask Bud).

Doubtful that acquisition would happen.

[mo7888]

The gossip girls speculate that MIL would demand their picks back from NOP, so some are speculating on a three way deal featuring Zion to MIL. Setting aside the thorny picks convo, this framework for a draft day deal works on the numbers:

SAS: Giannis; Kuzma’s contract
MIL: Zion; Devin
NOP: Keldon; Barnes’ contract

In this scenario I would assume, at a minimum, that we’d send our best 25FRP to NOP, our other to 25FRP to MIL, and NOP would send MIL at least one of their FRPs back.

I'd do that. I'd try to include Sochan instead of one of our picks, but I'd do it regardless.

[CGD]

I'd do that. I'd try to include Sochan instead of one of our picks, but I'd do it regardless.

Im speculating on the picks, but the money works. MIL should see some value in dumping Kiz too. A couple other observations:

- HOU has a huge gap at PG and I wonder how Gannis would see that in personal evaluation of dearinations

- Wonder if MIL would even want Sengun as the centerpiece. Bc he’s a terrible fit with Giannis (and JSJ a great one), I can see HOU wanting to move him. But he’s also tricky to build around.

- we still have several NOP SRPs which could be sent back to them too

[CGD]

Giannis would probably eat Mitch Johnson for breakfast (just ask Bud).

Doubtful that acquisition would happen.

I think the spurs offer a reasonable (but not crazy) package but ultimately are outbid.

Im less concerned about the Mitch thing.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Some of these Giannis trade ideas, especially in the linked video, are outrageously hilarious. He's not going to go for such low value unless he purposely tanks his value by saying he'll re-sign with only one team.

And when people include a third team in deals it gets even weirder because then they barely think about why the third team would do it in the first place.

[Chillen]

Hard to believe the Cavs, Suns, Mavs, Blazers, Magic, Thunder, Jazz, Pelicans, T-Wolves, 76ers, Wizards, Hornets, Pistons, Kings all passed on Giannis in the 2013 NBA draft.

The Suns would have won a ring if they drafted him because they still would have gotten Booker likely.

[LeBowen]

Hard to believe the Cavs, Suns, Mavs, Blazers, Magic, Thunder, Jazz, Pelicans, T-Wolves, 76ers, Wizards, Hornets, Pistons, Kings all passed on Giannis in the 2013 NBA draft.

The Suns would have won a ring if they drafted him because they still would have gotten Booker likely.

Most European players who aren't in guaranteed to be high lottery picks have agreements with teams before the draft.
Especially high risk projects like Giannis or even Jokic. It's a well-known fact Jokic had an agreement with the Nuggets, that's why noone else considered him in the second round.

And I wouldn't hold it against many teams for not taking Giannis.
He was literally malnourished with questionable basketball skills.
For example nephew's development was also ridiculous, but he had an NBA body, Spurs just worked on his skills. Giannis was a way bigger project.

There's a reason why 90% of similar low floor projects fail.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Hard to believe the Cavs, Suns, Mavs, Blazers, Magic, Thunder, Jazz, Pelicans, T-Wolves, 76ers, Wizards, Hornets, Pistons, Kings all passed on Giannis in the 2013 NBA draft.

The Suns would have won a ring if they drafted him because they still would have gotten Booker likely.

So much hindsight here.

No it's not hard to believe it. He was considered a reach where he was picked. Sengun was the MVP of a top 3 european league and he fell to a similar position, whereas Giannis had only played second division basketball in Greece as a prospect, was malnourished and was like 3 inches shorter.

[CGD]

Some of these Giannis trade ideas, especially in the linked video, are outrageously hilarious. He's not going to go for such low value unless he purposely tanks his value by saying he'll re-sign with only one team.

And when people include a third team in deals it gets even weirder because then they barely think about why the third team would do it in the first place.

It'll depend on what MIL wants: a pick heavy deal or a good player(s) with fewer picks. If the former, then they might as well send him to the Nets, if the latter it gets more interesting. I dont think its reasonable to expect that they'd land Zion/Young + a good player (Dev) AND 8 FRPs for example.

[bigzak25]

Crazy to think OKC are the favorites to win the West, will have the league's MVP, and still have enough assets to add a top 5 player.

I was wrong about Golden State winning the le this year.

Cleveland will win it. Final Answer.

[bigzak25]

Giving up lottery tickets for a top 3 player in the league?


Uh yes, this is why you build up the assets, to acquire someone like him.


It’s a no brainer. You do whatever you can. Only untouchables are Wemby castle

And Fox.