Our Spurs should trade the farm for Giannis!

[KobesAchilles]

There i no way we trade Castle!

Castle has 15 years of s om left; Giannis has about 3.

The only way to get Giannis is to pray Spurs get a top 2 pick tonight and trade it plus fillers for Giannis.

S om? So you are putting Giannis and Castle in the same stratosphere when it comes to s om. Giannis is a top 5 player in the NBA. Castle will never be that. So Giannis has 3 MVP years and Castle has 15? What are you even saying. Like Giannis is going to suck when he is 34? Bc he will still be better than Castle.

Castle has 0 years of s om and 15 years of being a solid player in the NBA.

[exstatic]

Again, Nuggets/Bucks never had picks from other teams, they were always the buyers.
Castle, Devin (if they want him), salary filler and 5 FRPs would be the fair asking price, imo.
Spurs would still have 4 picks left and then all the picks from 2032 onward. That's why I said I'd trade the near future picks, not the 20131 ones. Hawks picks are still the most valuable assets we have, especially if we get lucky again.

The key question here is do you think we could get more value from Castle staying and Hawks picks than from Giannis?
I'd say that Nuggets and Bucks got stuck in no man's land not because they failed big trades, but because they wasted too many assets on smaller trades and missed with most of their late FRPs.

Then there's the Wemby question. Are you really banking on a 7'4 player being healthy in his late 20s?
The goal is to win championships and having rookie contract Wemby and Giannis would be the best way to do it, especially with the parity in the league right now.

Again, I'm not 100% sold on this, but the line between blowing your load too early and being left with your in your hand is very thin and there isn't an obvious answer in this situation.

Giannis' contract situation kind of fits the timeline because he's got a player option for 27-28 season, the same summer Wemby's extension kicks in.
Another thing is that Spurs would have a huge advantage in free agency because every veteran's first choice would be playing with Giannis and Wemby.

That’s not the question. The actual question is will we get more value from Giannis or Castle/26 pick with swap/28 pick with swap/30 pick with 2 swaps. Milwaukee is going to want ALL of that, cleaning out our cupboard of everything except the 27 ATL, which effectively locks the 26 and 28 picks which is why it is not included. We traded our own 27 pick to Sacto, so that’s our only 27 pick.

[LeBowen]

That’s not the question. The actual question is will we get more value from Giannis or Castle/26 pick with swap/28 pick with swap/30 pick with 2 swaps. Milwaukee is going to want ALL of that, cleaning out our cupboard of everything except the 27 ATL, which effectively locks the 26 and 28 picks which is why it is not included. We traded our own 27 pick to Sacto, so that’s our only 27 pick.

We have two '25 picks, '26 with ATL swap, '27 ATL and '28 with BOS swap. That's 5 picks.
I also think Bucks want near-future picks because they want to go back up asap since they don't own any of their picks and tanking is pointless.

If we're talking trade details, our offer obviously falls short of potential OKC offer with Williams/Chet or even both.
I don't think Rockets trade happens because Bucks won't accept any offer than doesn't include Amen and Rockets don't want to trade him.

It's pretty much down to if OKC wants Giannis. If not, then Spurs can haggle with the Bucks that won't get a better offer.

[Seventyniner]

We have two '25 picks, '26 with ATL swap, '27 ATL and '28 with BOS swap. That's 5 picks.

Trading all 5 of those would violate the Stepien Rule, which says you can't make a trade that could potentially leave you two consecutive future drafts without a first. The Spurs can trade 5 firsts, but they would have to be SA25/ATL25/ATL27/SA29/SA31.

Or they could trade 6: on draft night, the 2025 picks are no longer "future" so I think instead the Spurs could trade SA25/ATL25/SA26/SA28/SA30/SA32, with all the swaps on the 26/28/30 picks.

[Jordan Jackson]

The only safe players are Wemby and Fox. Anyone claiming otherwise is going to be disappointed.

And yes, they will pull the trigger on a Giannis trade if it lines up
for them.

Shams leaking this before the lottery is not a coincidence either. Feel bad for Bucks fans. Next few months are going to be rough.

[LeBowen]

Trading all 5 of those would violate the Stepien Rule, which says you can't make a trade that could potentially leave you two consecutive future drafts without a first. The Spurs can trade 5 firsts, but they would have to be SA25/ATL25/ATL27/SA29/SA31.

Or they could trade 6: on draft night, the 2025 picks are no longer "future" so I think instead the Spurs could trade SA25/ATL25/SA26/SA28/SA30/SA32, with all the swaps on the 26/28/30 picks.

Yeah, I was thinking about a post-draft trade with Spurs picking the players Bucks want.
I completely forgot we traded '27 for Fox since it was such a fleece.

[exstatic]

We have two '25 picks, '26 with ATL swap, '27 ATL and '28 with BOS swap. That's 5 picks.
I also think Bucks want near-future picks because they want to go back up asap since they don't own any of their picks and tanking is pointless.

If we're talking trade details, our offer obviously falls short of potential OKC offer with Williams/Chet or even both.
I don't think Rockets trade happens because Bucks won't accept any offer than doesn't include Amen and Rockets don't want to trade him.

It's pretty much down to if OKC wants Giannis. If not, then Spurs can haggle with the Bucks that won't get a better offer.

You can trade either the 27 ATL, or the 26 and 28 picks with swaps, not all of them. Having trade our own 27 to Sacto, we own only one pick in each 26,27,28 year, and sending any two consecutive future first round picks is a Stephen violation.

[mo7888]

Personally, I'm not holding Castle out if going for Giannis, but if he's in i think Castle + 4 frp + Sochan + filler is my best offer.

[Brazil]

Not true. The top of the eat is just as good, if not better than the top of the west. The only scary team in the west is OKC, and they have flaws. Just ask Giannis how easy the east is.

The west has the bigger stars, but a lot of those guys are close to the end of their careers.

Even if the top East is as good as and it is highly arguable, the rest is weaker... so you have easier RS and easier path to at least semi conference finals. Also your argument about end of their careers is quite doubtful to say the least, OKC is the youngest team in the league and the new generation is coming in teams like Timberwolves, Rockets, the Spurs have freaking Victor etc.. Bucks team is dysfunctional for years, not sure how this is a reference of anything

[benefactor]

Personally, I'm not holding Castle out if going for Giannis, but if he's in i think Castle + 4 frp + Sochan + filler is my best offer.

Agreed. The desire to hang on to Castle is just typical emotionally overattached spurs fan. I mean you are talking about pairing Giannis with Wemby. Jesus

[itzsoweezee]

Even if the top East is as good as and it is highly arguable, the rest is weaker... so you have easier RS and easier path to at least semi conference finals. Also your argument about end of their careers is quite doubtful to say the least, OKC is the youngest team in the league and the new generation is coming in teams like Timberwolves, Rockets, the Spurs have freaking Victor etc.. Bucks team is dysfunctional for years, not sure how this is a reference of anything

Wolves, Rockets, and Spurs? You think Giannis is scared of those teams? The west has a lot of parity. So what? No superstar seeking a championship is going to give a about that.

[itzsoweezee]

Time to get it done B Wright

[benefactor]

And now we're talking. Make the trade.

[djohn2oo8]

It's going to cost #2, and Castle at minimum.

[benefactor]

It's going to cost #2, and Castle at minimum.

They might work a way out to keep him but if they don't it's fine. I make that trade without even thinking about it.

[Dejounte]

Giannis is the most humble superstar and would be the perfect mentor for Wemby. Absolutely trade this pick for him.

[Trainwreck2100]

They might work a way out to keep him but if they don't it's fine. I make that trade without even thinking about it.

I prefer they play hard ball, harper is the best they are going to get back, Spurs should recognize that. I'd still make it contingent on draft night cause who knows what the Nico is gonna do.

[Kevin]

Yeah Castle, the 2nd pick plus the Spurs 2031 first round pick with the Kings swapped attached should get it done for Giannis.

[spurraider21]

i dont think the spurs emptying the cupboard for giannis is the winning play, but i think the conversation only begins to make sense if we jump to #2 in the draft because that pick would carry a ton of value in trade talks

[djohn2oo8]

I prefer they play hard ball, harper is the best they are going to get back, Spurs should recognize that. I'd still make it contingent on draft night cause who knows what the Nico is gonna do.

Dallas could also just decide to trade for Giannis.....

[vy65]

I really don’t like this trade. He’s 31. Do we think we have enough between Fox Giannis and Wemby for le contention. I also don’t like making Wemby not be our center piece.

[vy65]

Dallas could also just decide to trade for Giannis.....

Why?

[djohn2oo8]

Why?

Because Nico is stupid. He had Luka and traded him. They want to win now. Giannis/AD/Kyrie

[dn0774]

It's going to cost #2, and Castle at minimum.

One or the other, not both.

[benefactor]

I really don’t like this trade. He’s 31. Do we think we have enough between Fox Giannis and Wemby for le contention. I also don’t like making Wemby not be our center piece.

Giannis has said he wants to play with another star to take the pressure off of him. Wemby will be number one and Giannis will be number two.