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Mavs are going to take Flagg and hype the out of him.
What about Harper for Fran Wagner? ��
Mavs are going to take Flagg and hype the out of him.
Fills the position we need more than anything. Simple as that. Lauri Markk is good.
Man, if we do draft Harper Mitch better not pull that old school got to earn your stripes bull . Fox, Castle, Harper, (revolving cast of ST users), and Wemby.
I was telling my friend(mavs fan) that Nico needs to just finish the hit. Trade the pick to us or choose someone else. Then he can go retire on a tropical island with all of Adam's Silver.
Vecenie and Brice threw this out as a joke...
DAL sends #1 to LAL for Luka...
Spurs are damn lucky.
At #2, Spurs should obviously draft Harper. He is a so much better prospect than Bailey and Edgecombe. Fit isn't ideal with Fox and Castle but you can't pass on that talent and it's not like Bailey and Edgecombe are tremendous fits either.
Trade is a possibility but I guess it would take a crazy offer for Spurs to trade away the 2nd pick (or Castle).
Watch Nico talk himself out of Flagg at 1, that’d be hilarious
yeah this is a good option.
For now I’m drafting Harper and starting him next to Fox in the backcourt and bringing Castle off the bench as the backup combo guard.
At the end of next season evaluate. If Harper is the real deal and Castle takes another leap and looks like a potential borderline all star player, you can look to move Fox and have Harper-Castle as your backcourt of the future.
As for Giannis, if he was 28 or 29 I’d be all in on moving pick 2 for him but he’s 31 later this year, has a lot of mileage and his game is not predicated on skill rather strength and athleticism, so I think his decline from all nba first team caliber player will begin around age 33-34.
I've cooled on the idea of trading down, was mostly testing the idea. Harper is a weird fit but his potential is franchise level.
That said, I'd trade down only so far that I could ensure I could get Edgecombe or Johnson. I have no interest in Brandon Miller. Markannen is wildly expensive contract-wise and is essentially an exalted role-player. Coulibaly is somewhat interesting but the Wizards would have to include more.
I'd be interested mostly in future picks. Maybe packaging Vassell or Keldon to upgrade with something they have but nothing really strikes me at this point.
As far as Edgecombe or Johnson... Edgecombe's shooting numbers are actually better than Harper's. He doesn't project as a focus-of-attack player. Dependent somewhat on quickness and athleticism (meaning if he gets hurt, what then?). Projects as a much better defender than Harper. High level of defensive play-creation, even if he needs seasoning there.
Johnson is the mold of what the Spurs need in terms of shooting and off-ball scoring. Possibly poor defender. A pretty good playmaker.
Just thinking the drop from Harper may be too significant, but then I wonder if Harper might be a little too esteemed right now?
Here, yes. If I'm the FO, I really work on Dallas and see what they want.
Dallas's window really is now, and Nico has said as much. Kyrie going down really hurts them. I'm not active in wanting Giannis on the Spurs for this cost, but really try to either sell Nico on trying to get Giannis to the Mavs or that Flagg is a better SAS fit / Harper is a better Mavs fit.
I actually think there's something doable here, if very slim chance.
Tell him Dylan Harper is Derek Harper's son or something, lol.
keep 2nd pick, trade Johnson, Vassell, Sochan, and 14th pick to PHilly for 3rd pick. Pick Harper and Bailey and we will win at least 5 or 6 les within the next 10 years.
Because Harper and Bailey were really ringing them up at Rutgers.
I’m starting to get behind this Harper kid; he seems like a strong 1b at worst! Him and castle would keep teams in foul trouble. Harp plays like envision castle playing in the near future with posting up…. What a time to be a spurs fan
College and NBA are way different, man.
College is more like HS tbh lol
The floor is a lot more open in the NBA.
Couple thoughts, drafting Harper is obviously a clunky fit on paper given Fox and Castle exist on our roster as mentioned. Wish one of them was more of a proven shooter. I'm still high on Castle going forward and love his at ude and demeanor, but Harper projects to be a different level of offensive player than Castle. Better first step, more shiftiness/wiggle, better finishing package, better shooter.
My hope is that Castle is willing to step back from wanting to be a majority high usage on ball creator/attacker and embrace playing off ball with timely cutting and gaining a functional short corner 3. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have plenty of opportunities with the ball in his hands, it just wouldn't be like it was the last few months of his rookie season. Castle can also lock in and become the defender he was projected to be. That being said, guards historically have rough rookie and sop re years (particularly in terms of efficiency) as Castle just found out and Harper will likely be no different.
All that to say, I am not expecting a contender next year. Do I expect playoffs? Absolutely. Elite teams always have a player or 2 who are overqualified for the role they play (think Manu a bunch of years, even Kawhi his first 4 seasons kinda) but they embrace it because winning. Castle has the opportunity to do that if the Spurs indeed draft and keep Harper.
My opinion for the 2nd pick? Draft Harper or assemble a package that gets Flagg. Harper makes more sense on Dallas and Flagg makes more sense on the Spurs, see if there is any deal to be had that reasonably compensates Dallas (#14, Vassell or Johnson thrown in, tear up a swap, etc).
I would do that in a heartbeat. Would also help clear the Magic's forward logjam.
guys, you only consider need/fit when you are talking about similarly tiered players and you are looking for a reason to pick one over another.
Flagg is a Davis/Zion caliber prospect and is in a tier of his own this year
but then Harper is a Cade/Paolo caliber prospect and is also a clear tier above anybody else this year. you dont take a lesser prospect because he fits more neatly in the rotation this year.
Fox is still too good not to start, and you have to figure out what to do with the others.
offensively, when it comes to point guard stuff, Harper is just a better version of Castle. comparing them as prospects, Harper is a better driver, better finisher in traffic, better midrange shooter, and got to the line more than castle did in college. he's also a better shooter, having made 38% of his catch and shoot 3's. he's not some crazy movement shooter who is going to be curling off screens, but he wont be someone defenses can just ignore the way they did Castle. they're pretty similar in passing ability though Harper was even better than Castle at creating advantages to open up passing opportunities.
he's a solid defender but not exceptional, but he has very good size and wingspan much like castle (though castle is stronger). castle was a pretty special defensive prospect, though the results in year 1 were mixed.
now if they trade the #2 pick, or trade Castle... thats a different question and would require its own analysis to determine the merit. but if we are just talking about picking #2, its not a question. its just harper
Starting Harper AND Castle off the bench? Bruh what?
Castle is that dude.
I'm not sold on Harper myself tbh. The fact him and Bailey couldn't lift Rutgers into the tournament even considering the rest of the roster is damning imo. His shot is also a work in progress and as we know the Spurs have for a shooting coach and developmental staff these days.
You guys are crazy. Harper isn't '84 Jordan.
Throwing ing Castle to the bench? I understand there needs to be a floor leader with the second unit and that would have to be Harper.
I really don't see either Castle or Harper being happy about coming off the bench.
If Harper is clearly the BPA at 2, then you could theoretically start two of Harper Fox and Castle and make the guy who clicks the least with Victor as your sixth man. If you can't pass him up then that's the only choice. But that means there is a ton of swingman-sized trash to take out on this roster.
honestly it is hard to know what to do here. Maybe trade the pick or castle for giannis, since harper-fox-castle is such a bad ... you know what.. maybe it wouldn't even be that bad since castle and harper are relatively taller.. Hmm i really wish we had a coach.
I just really don't want to see the Spurs push their chips in for Giannis or any max/near max guy, the team just isn't close to that kind of le contention so don't bring back max money for no reason. I'd rather take an extremely talented kid (who would be a legit 1st pick in a lot of years) and grow with them on a rookie deal than try to force things. Our roster isn't close to contending, nor is our coaching staff. Let Fox run the show with Castle/Harper getting their turns. If things go well for them then Fox can be phased out/moved on in a couple years when he slows down and his contract balloons.
Spurs have a chance to build an OKC like core here, cashing big time assets in this off season just isn't the play. I actually think the Sochan extension is still the toughest decision this off season in all honesty.
Surely Fox Castle Vassell Giannis Wemby with so much talent in the rotation has to be conference finals team right off the bat... Assuming you get giannis for #2 of course
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