Pick #2 - Strategies

[spurraider21]

I know Dallas has to take Flagg, to appease the fan base, but

Mavs - Giannis
Spurs - #1, PJ Washington
Bucks - #2, #14, Vassell, Gafford, multi SRPs.

Ok, I just run it, and there is no way to do it. Dallas cannot absorb Giannis contract, they would have to trade Washingon, Gafford, Klay, Christie and more, re-sign Irving to lower cap hit from 42 to like 30, which would mean he would need to sign 150/5 type of deal, at age 33 after ACL tear.

the problem with these 3 team proposals is that a resetting milwaukee would not opt for Harper over Flagg

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Spurs say ing no

Don't you think the Spurs would be a better team with Walker Kessler, Tre Johnson, + 14OA (Fleming, Gonzales,) than Harper and 14OA (Fleming, Gonzales, Sorber, Newell)

[mo7888]

Don't you think the Spurs would be a better team with Walker Kessler, Tre Johnson, + 14OA (Fleming, Gonzales,) than Harper and 14OA (Fleming, Gonzales, Sorber, Newell)

Nope...not even remotely

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Don't you think the Spurs would be a better team with Walker Kessler, Tre Johnson, + 14OA (Fleming, Gonzales,) than Harper and 14OA (Fleming, Gonzales, Sorber, Newell)

no.

[Mal]

the problem with these 3 team proposals is that a resetting milwaukee would not opt for Harper over Flagg

But they have worst negotation position. Mavs gets the best player, Spurs get 2nd best player but best overall fit, Bucks get load of assets, which are not that bad. 2x1st with 2OA, Vassell and Gafford in mid 20s - worth 1st each. And then either mutliple 2nds or other minor assets, like swaps or some Mavs players like Christie or Marshall

But it cant happen, since Mavs are too close to those approns.

[spurraider21]

But they have worst negotation position. Mavs gets the best player, Spurs get 2nd best player but best overall fit, Bucks get load of assets, which are not that bad. 2x1st with 2OA, Vassell and Gafford in mid 20s - worth 1st each. And then either mutliple 2nds or other minor assets, like swaps or some Mavs players like Christie or Marshall

But it cant happen, since Mavs are too close to those approns.

the team with giannis does not have the worst negotiating position, sorry.

if your own example the only thing the mavs get back is giannis, and they were willing to move #1, PJ Washington, Gafford. thats the deal right there. bucks get Flagg/PJ/Gafford and maybe a SRP or two, and mavs get giannis.

whats the incentive to include the spurs?

[mo7888]

the team with giannis does not have the worst negotiating position, sorry.

if your own example the only thing the mavs get back is giannis, and they were willing to move #1, PJ Washington, Gafford. thats the deal right there. bucks get Flagg/PJ/Gafford and maybe a SRP or two, and mavs get giannis.

whats the incentive to include the spurs?

The incentive is that the Fallas package isn't enough without more 1sts.

[spurraider21]

The incentive is that the Fallas package isn't enough without more 1sts.

your package has the bucks choosing Harper, 14, and Vassell, over Flagg and PJ Washington.

doesnt make sense at all imo

[Baam]

Go get both Trey Murphy and Herb Jones with that pick instead of getting a malcontent who will pout.

Wemby
Murphy
Jones
Castle
Fox

You finally have a fun two-way 5. Wemby doesn't have to wait 3 years for Harper to get good too and the team is still young enough...

I don't like Fox for the record but gotta make the best of it.

[Extra Stout]

Don't you think the Spurs would be a better team with Walker Kessler, Tre Johnson, + 14OA (Fleming, Gonzales,) than Harper and 14OA (Fleming, Gonzales, Sorber, Newell)

Which is better, having James Harden, or having Rip Hamilton and a backup center?

[Baam]

Which is better, having James Harden, or having Rip Hamilton and a backup center?

They couldn't keep Harden, could never give him the role he deserved. Like the Spurs won't be able to with Harper.

[The Truth #6]

I'm totally fine not trading Fox right now. But trading Harper seems crazy to me. What a gift. I do see Harper and Castle as our backcourt of the future, though.

Next year will be exciting, chaotic, and this place will have unlimited situations to complain about. So many options. Mitch will try to make it all work.

How to move on from Devin and his god awful contract just got a lot more important in my opinion.

[mo7888]

your package has the bucks choosing Harper, 14, and Vassell, over Flagg and PJ Washington.

doesnt make sense at all imo

That's not my package.

[spurraider21]

That's not my package.

thats the difference between the packages. in both scenarios they are getting Gafford and SRPs

[montgod]

They couldn't keep Harden, could never give him the role he deserved. Like the Spurs won't be able to with Harper.

Good point, but Spurs ran CP, Castle/Vassell, and Fox at the same time last year. Could easily see them do the same with Harper to replace CP and unload Vassell for a SF/PF.

[mo7888]

thats the difference between the packages. in both scenarios they are getting Gafford and SRPs

I only pointed out that Dallas and Milwaukee are unlikely to get a deal for Flagg without a 3rd team. Dallas doesn't have the assets, but we do. We'd obviously have to add capital over 2+14, but that's the incentive for them taking Harper over Flagg.

[daslicer]

This is a situation where I'm glad not to be the GM because I would have a hard time deciding what to do. It's a tough decision going either way on whether to keep the pick or trade it.

[Mal]

the team with giannis does not have the worst negotiating position, sorry.

if your own example the only thing the mavs get back is giannis, and they were willing to move #1, PJ Washington, Gafford. thats the deal right there. bucks get Flagg/PJ/Gafford and maybe a SRP or two, and mavs get giannis.

whats the incentive to include the spurs?

Of course I tried to include Spurs to explore getting Flagg scenario, we are on Spurs forum.

[spurraider21]

I only pointed out that Dallas and Milwaukee are unlikely to get a deal for Flagg without a 3rd team. Dallas doesn't have the assets, but we do. We'd obviously have to add capital over 2+14, but that's the incentive for them taking Harper over Flagg.

yeah and im saying we arent adding assets to this (at least not more than we are getting back via Flagg)

you say the spurs need to be included to add value to milwaukee but the spurs verison of your deal gives milwaukee even less value than just a straight up deal with the mavs

[montgod]

This is a situation where I'm glad not to be the GM because I would have a hard time deciding what to do. It's a tough decision going either way on whether to keep the pick or trade it.

Same here. I feel like the combine and interview's might steer them to not wanting to trade.

[John B]

Damn it’s a massive improvement from Tre/Vassell/Keldon/Sochan/Collins line-up not too long ago. Good grief

[mo7888]

yeah and im saying we arent adding assets to this (at least not more than we are getting back via Flagg)

you say the spurs need to be included to add value to milwaukee but the spurs verison of your deal gives milwaukee even less value than just a straight up deal with the mavs

The version of my deal, which i haven't given yet, would be Devin + Keldon + 2+ 14 + Atlanta 27 or our 26 with attached pick swap.

[baseline bum]

Don't you think the Spurs would be a better team with Walker Kessler, Tre Johnson, + 14OA (Fleming, Gonzales,) than Harper and 14OA (Fleming, Gonzales, Sorber, Newell)

No, that's like saying don't you think the Spurs would have been a better team with Jamal Magloire instead of Manu because they already had Parker and Stephen Jackson.

[baseline bum]

They couldn't keep Harden, could never give him the role he deserved. Like the Spurs won't be able to with Harper.

They couldn't keep Harden because they decided to pay Kendrick Perkins instead and tried to lowball Harden. Harden said he was fine being a sixth man but then OKC wanted to pay him like one instead of paying his market value.

[Joseph Kony]

Damn it’s a massive improvement from Tre/Vassell/Keldon/Sochan/Collins line-up not too long ago. Good grief

those were dark times