Man, just checked his contract. Amazing contract. What would it take to try and pry him away from the Blazers?
Why are they are resting the high usage guards on him, his top 3 matchup on offense is Curry, Harden and SGA.
when you're arguing with exstatic you always have to remind yourself that you are arguing with a re .
Sochan just turned 22, so there's still a chance. I'd love if the Spurs would just stick him in the corner and tell him to only practice corner 3s, kinda like we used Bruce back in the day. Until he learns to make 3s at a reasonable clip, he's holding the entire team back and that can't really go on for longer than one more season.
Comparing Sochan to Aaron Gordon is offensive and leads me to believe some of you never saw him during his early years in Orlando.
The guy was an absolutely gifted athlete especially for his size. Big, strong and fast. Talent was not the issue. He was miscast as a franchise player/center piece in Orlando. And he wasn’t.
His shot was also not non-existent outright broken. There was something to build upon.
People are misrepresenting the numbers with this comparison and underrating how talented Gordon is. I saw this crazy take on Twitter, can’t believe it made its way here.
Just my opinion of course.
Sochan has some skills. On a team with surplus shooting, he could bring value as a backup forward.
That team is not the Spurs.
Sochan was compared to Gordon before he was even drafted tbh.
How much do you think Sochan will improve? Does he have the skill/ability to shoot 3 point shots off a dribble? Can he make 3 point shots while he has a defender near him?
Can he create space off a dribble and fire up an accurate 3 poiunt shot quickly? Is he going to shoot well enough to draw defensive coverage out to him? Or are you just hoping he can knock down an occasional open 3 point shot (which does nothing if he can't draw coverage out to him) at a league average rate because his 3 point ceiling is very limited by his skills and ability which are capped by his ability.
Three years in and we have seen what his shooting skill set is.
He does have the ability to improve some on open three point shots at a higher rate at a low shooting volume but he's not going to be a shooter hitting shots off the dribble or hitting shots with defenders near him, he just doesn't have those skills.
He has already improved his shot. If he gets even slightly better... all he has to do is start actually shooting them to draw the defense out and create space. I don't want the ball in his hands much. Just catch and shoot at a respectable rate. And if someone else shoots, I want him to crash the boards and clean up any misses. I want him out there for his defense. I just don't want him as an offensive liability. It's a low bar that he's been limbo'ing under, but wouldn't take much to reach "average".
If he leaves, he will become one of the best Wemby defenders in the league.
How has he improved? His 3pt shooting %s are the same on low volume.
He's getting more shots under the basket this past year so his shot making inside 5 feet was higher but his shooting away from the basket has not improved.
Probably not - but what realistic option for the Spurs will?
It would take more than we want to pay, honestly. One of the big podcasters, can’t remember who, recently theorized it would take 2 FRP
I would give up #14 in a heartbeat, but Blazers say no and I’m not willing to add to that.
His year 2 to Year 3 Shooting % stayed exactly the same while his volume dropped nearly in half while other teams just stopped defending him entirely.
This is what we call an improved shot?
In London now.
The Aaron Gordon comparison is interesting, not because I necessarily find it a great comparison but because it is an example of someone who started out as a shaky shooter and developed into at least a half-way respectable one (and actually a quite good one this year, albeit still on relatively low volume).
Comparing Sochan's 3rd season v Gordon's:
Very Tight 3PM Very Tight 3PA Very Tight 3P% Tight 3PM Tight 3PA Tight 3P% Open 3PM Open 3PA Open 3P% Wide Open 3PM Wide Open 3PA Wide Open 3P% Gordon 1 3 .333 6 22 .273 13 71 .183 57 170 .335 Sochan 0 0 - 1 3 .333 1 10 .100 26 79 .329
Very Tight = a defender within 2 feet
Tight = a defender within 2-4 feet
Open = nearest defender within 4-6 feet
Wide open = nearest defender 6+ feet away
So yeah, they were both pretty poor 3P shooters their third year, but Jeremy is a non-shooter in addition to being a bad shooter. He doesn't even attempt contested 3s, and or even open 3s. He's simply not someone teams are worried about and are willing to leave wide open at the 3P line. He doesn't even shoot when he's open... practicing in an empty gym is great, but at some point it has to translate to attempts in a game or it's meaningless. 28 3PM in a season is a crime against the sport for a modern PF.
We're all hoping that he develops a respectable 3P shot... but there is just no evidence to reasonably believe that he will. Anything is possible though!
Another thing to add is that Spurs took 40 3pts per game this season.
Magic took 26 in 2017.
Year 3 Gordon would've surely taken even more in today's game.
As you said, him not even thinking about shooting is a bigger issue than him being a bad shooter and all the talk about 30% 3pt is completely irrelevant and straight up idiotic.
Castle's 30% 3pt is way different because he takes them in the flow of the offense, takes some off the dribble, gets contested, takes some way behind the line, it just looks natural.
I'm sure it wasn't his idea, but the Spurs wanted him to do it right away instead of building bad habits.
How can anyone be optimistic about Jeremy's shot when he's had 3 seasons with no pressure whatsoever and not only that he didn't make any improvement, but his volume was the lowest this season.
Maybe he finds a miracle working coach and develops a reliable jumpshot, but Spurs can't rely on that. We need legit players to win games. He can be on the end of the bench until he shows reasonable signs of improvement.
If Sochan can fix his actual shooting form/motion it would go a long way. Some videos of him from the summer looked like he got rid of that ugly hitch in his jumper. But I thought the same thing the summer before.
Yeah for sure. I don't want to come off as a Sochan hater, because I'm not ready to give up on him... but I think a lot of Spurs fans have put him on a pedestal that he frankly hasn't earned yet. People want to write his name in sharpie as part of our long term core, and say he's untouchable in a trade... or offer him a 5/100 extension... but he's none of those things yet. He's a seriously flawed offensive player who is solid on defense and shows flashes of defensive greatness. He is not the all world defender some make him out to be... but that doesn't make him a bad player either. Let him play this season and go into RFA this year and see where things stand. Kind of the same approach we took with Lonnie.
But... I'm not going to be the guy who falls for summer workout videos either. I'll leave that for Ben Simmons truthers
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I mostly agree with the above posts, it was painful watching him last year get the ball wide open, hesitate for a couple of seconds, then pass it back. That kills your team and makes you a huge liability. If you take that shot and you can hit it at 33%-34%, that changes everything. That's all I'm asking for. Also, his hands are not good, but this is unlikely to change so it will come down to the shot.
if he indeed fixed his shooting motion Mitch has to let him shoot at least 3 attempts per game and give him the green light to shoot those when the defense leaves him open. That's the only way to find out if those workouts actually translate.
Poland is at Eurobasket, I'm not sure of his role with the national team, I guess that will be a good preview.
5/150 would be a steal for a player of Sochans caliber. It’s basically what Braun is going to get except Jeremy is bigger, an elite defender, and an equal shooter. Except unlike Braun, Sochan has room to improve since he’s so young. Better to sign him early rather than having him go to market.
Could we do 3 years 15-15-20 with 3rd year being team option? Seems pretty fair, and flexible.
Anything less than the max is found money, tbqh
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