Pick #2 - Strategies

[ambchang]

Laettner was picked 3rd behind Shaq and mourning. At no time was Laettner considered a cant miss prospect who will carry a franchise. He’s famous because he nailed clutch shots and won two ncaa les while establishing multiple records.

Flagg was hailed as a can’t miss since a junior in high school. He is much better defensively and is tracked to be a franchise player, with a second banana on a good team type of floor.

Hype wise Flagg is more AD than anyone else and AD, other than injuries, has turned out to be a phenomenal player.

In terms of price of Flagg, #2 + castle is a steep price. I don’t see Flagg to be such a hugely better prospect than Harper, it’s more like Zion vs Morant where the 1st pick is generational and an obvious pick, but the second pick would be a consensus 1sf in most other years. Id say a second plus one or two future non swap built in picks would be fair.

[scott]

Laettner was picked 3rd behind Shaq and mourning. At no time was Laettner considered a cant miss prospect who will carry a franchise. He’s famous because he nailed clutch shots and won two ncaa les while establishing multiple records.

Flagg was hailed as a can’t miss since a junior in high school. He is much better defensively and is tracked to be a franchise player, with a second banana on a good team type of floor.

Hype wise Flagg is more AD than anyone else and AD, other than injuries, has turned out to be a phenomenal player.

In terms of price of Flagg, #2 + castle is a steep price. I don’t see Flagg to be such a hugely better prospect than Harper, it’s more like Zion vs Morant where the 1st pick is generational and an obvious pick, but the second pick would be a consensus 1sf in most other years. Id say a second plus one or two future non swap built in picks would be fair.

From the Spurs POV, that’s all I’d be willing to pay… but if I had #1, I wouldn’t trade it for #2 and Castle.

This is pretty similar to what I’m seeing on various Trade Idea threads on Reddit where #2 for TMIII and Herb has become a popular idea (without my prompting). The general consensus seems to be the Spurs would never do that, but neither would NOP. Ultimately, the price required for a team to come off the pick is greater than it’s worth for teams to pay it. There aren’t win-win scenarios, only scenarios where there is a clear winner and loser, and no one wants to be the loser.

[exstatic]

From the Spurs POV, that’s all I’d be willing to pay… but if I had #1, I wouldn’t trade it for #2 and Castle.

This is pretty similar to what I’m seeing on various Trade Idea threads on Reddit where #2 for TMIII and Herb has become a popular idea (without my prompting). The general consensus seems to be the Spurs would never do that, but neither would NOP. Ultimately, the price required for a team to come off the pick is greater than it’s worth for teams to pay it. There aren’t win-win scenarios, only scenarios where there is a clear winner and loser, and no one wants to be the loser.

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[TrainOfThought5]

I haven't seen this in this on this board, and I'm not sure if either side would propose it, but:

#1 (Flagg)
for
#2(presumably Harper) and Castle

I'd probably do it if I was the spurs (but I think Flagg is something approaching a Luka level prospect...).

please kill yourself immediately. This might be the dumbest take I’ve seen this year.

[Splits]

Closest comparison I can think of a #1 pick being traded was 1993 when GS sent #3 (Penny Hardaway) and 3 future 1sts to ORL for #1 (Chris Weber).

The asking price for Flagg would probably be something similar (maybe 2 1sts instead of 3), and I doubt the Spurs would do it if Dallas offered.

[Ignazzz]

The Warriors drafted then traded No. 3 pick Penny Hardaway & 3 future picks for No. 1 pick Chris Webber. Those picks turned into: Todd Fuller (#11 in 96), Vince Carter (#5 in 98) & Mike Miller (#5 in 00).

[Splits]

The Warriors drafted then traded No. 3 pick Penny Hardaway & 3 future picks for No. 1 pick Chris Webber. Those picks turned into: Todd Fuller (#11 in 96), Vince Carter (#5 in 98) & Mike Miller (#5 in 00).

IIRC correctly Weber also had some clause in his contract that allowed him to force a trade, which he did after his first year because he hated Don Nelson

[CGD]

The Warriors drafted then traded No. 3 pick Penny Hardaway & 3 future picks for No. 1 pick Chris Webber. Those picks turned into: Todd Fuller (#11 in 96), Vince Carter (#5 in 98) & Mike Miller (#5 in 00).

Looking at the history, it’s apparently more complicated than that. Orlando used the 96 pick to get Horace Grant to play with Shaq/Penny, and the 98 one to create the cap space to eventually get Hill/McGrady. They did draft Miller. Seemed like sensible uses of those picks.

[Limguogolo]

Maybe I'm wrong because I haven't seen Flagg play often enough, but I see Flagg less as a franchise player than a perfect lieutenant capable of doing everything on the floor except... scoring 35 points per game. But hey, the hype must be legit, after all, he won the national championship...

Nor did Harper, btw.

Flagg's quality in my opinion is his precocity to be good everywhere. That's what we ask of modern players after four or five years. But being good at everything doesn't mean you can be great at any particular thing. Particularly when it comes to the ability to create quality shots at high percentages and at high volume.

I probably don't know him well enough. But if that's the case, there may be a superstar hiding somewhere in this draft and Flagg remains the perfect fit for the Mavs. The Spurs would have certainly benefit from making him Victor's lieutenant, but not at the cost of Harper (or Harper's promises) and more. Because Harper has at least one area where he is undoubtedly a master: finishing in the paint. If you add ball handling and size to that, you potentially see this type of player becoming a superstar. Two dominant guards, and one dominant center is all the Spurs needed to build a team built for a dynasty. I don't see any necessary strategy to adopt for pick 2.

The unknown is rather at pick 14. Because you have potentially Manu, TP and Duncan, with a pick 14, you can go directly to Boris Diaw with his Phoenix PO form. Or to Scola. Or if you don't want to stay sorber and go a little crazy: to Robinson.

[Mr. Body]

Minor note: Flagg didn't win the le. They got beat by Houston, who lost to Florida.

[Limguogolo]

It was sarcasm. (“Nor.”)

[rascal]

wrong thread

[SouthernFried]

I would trade WEMBY for #1 Spot...maybe get a center thrown in. Then we'd have the #1 AND #2 spot. Maybe trade the #2 spot for the best big you can get. Then you would have a backcourt from , not worry about how to allocate minutes in the back court...and still have a damn good big.

Wemby is a generational talent, but so is Flagg. And I think Flagg will be more stable. Watching Wemby is exhilarating and frustrating at the same time. He's not Duncan. He's better...and worse. Unpredictable. He can f up a team just as easily as help them, not to mention health issues. I'd take flagg. And a Big at #2...or trade #2 for a big.

Flagg, Fox, Castle and a #2 big. Or...we could still take HARPER at #2.

Flagg...fox...Harper...Castle...and a rock in the middle.

Damn.

[Gagnrath]

mavs made a big stink about trading away Luka because they prioritized defense. Davis was how they sold it. trading him for Harper doesnt add up at all. they are looking to win now, they dont have great draft capital.

doesnt make much sense for the spurs either, as awesome as a healthy Davis is

I don't know that I have seen a healthy Davis outside of new orleans.

[RC_Drunkford]

I would trade WEMBY for #1 Spot...maybe get a center thrown in. Then we'd have the #1 AND #2 spot. Maybe trade the #2 spot for the best big you can get. Then you would have a backcourt from , not worry about how to allocate minutes in the back court...and still have a damn good big.

Wemby is a generational talent, but so is Flagg. And I think Flagg will be more stable. Watching Wemby is exhilarating and frustrating at the same time. He's not Duncan. He's better...and worse. Unpredictable. He can f up a team just as easily as help them, not to mention health issues. I'd take flagg. And a Big at #2...or trade #2 for a big.

Flagg, Fox, Castle and a #2 big. Or...we could still take HARPER at #2.

Flagg...fox...Harper...Castle...and a rock in the middle.

Damn.

[mo7888]

I would trade WEMBY for #1 Spot...maybe get a center thrown in. Then we'd have the #1 AND #2 spot. Maybe trade the #2 spot for the best big you can get. Then you would have a backcourt from , not worry about how to allocate minutes in the back court...and still have a damn good big.

Wemby is a generational talent, but so is Flagg. And I think Flagg will be more stable. Watching Wemby is exhilarating and frustrating at the same time. He's not Duncan. He's better...and worse. Unpredictable. He can f up a team just as easily as help them, not to mention health issues. I'd take flagg. And a Big at #2...or trade #2 for a big.

Flagg, Fox, Castle and a #2 big. Or...we could still take HARPER at #2.

Flagg...fox...Harper...Castle...and a rock in the middle.

Damn.

That's a of a take right there...

[Tyrone Jenkins]

I would trade WEMBY for #1 Spot...maybe get a center thrown in. Then we'd have the #1 AND #2 spot. Maybe trade the #2 spot for the best big you can get. Then you would have a backcourt from , not worry about how to allocate minutes in the back court...and still have a damn good big.

Wemby is a generational talent, but so is Flagg. And I think Flagg will be more stable. Watching Wemby is exhilarating and frustrating at the same time. He's not Duncan. He's better...and worse. Unpredictable. He can f up a team just as easily as help them, not to mention health issues. I'd take flagg. And a Big at #2...or trade #2 for a big.

Flagg, Fox, Castle and a #2 big. Or...we could still take HARPER at #2.

Flagg...fox...Harper...Castle...and a rock in the middle.

Damn.

the first 4 words of your thought nullify the rest of what you have to say...

[scottspurs]

I didn’t have trading Wemby on the bingo card of #2 strategies lmao

[SpursBills]

I would trade WEMBY for #1 Spot...maybe get a center thrown in. Then we'd have the #1 AND #2 spot. Maybe trade the #2 spot for the best big you can get. Then you would have a backcourt from , not worry about how to allocate minutes in the back court...and still have a damn good big.

Wemby is a generational talent, but so is Flagg. And I think Flagg will be more stable. Watching Wemby is exhilarating and frustrating at the same time. He's not Duncan. He's better...and worse. Unpredictable. He can f up a team just as easily as help them, not to mention health issues. I'd take flagg. And a Big at #2...or trade #2 for a big.

Flagg, Fox, Castle and a #2 big. Or...we could still take HARPER at #2.

Flagg...fox...Harper...Castle...and a rock in the middle.

Damn.

Between this take and the "Dallas won the Luka trade" take from a few months back, you have be the most contrarian poster on this board

[Ice009]

I never would have even thought about this (even as the wildest of wild strategies). Since it's been bought up, would Dallas still take Cooper, or would they do it no questions asked? The only reason I ask is because I guess there is still some uncertainty with Victor due to the DVT.

[John B]

Closest comparison I can think of a #1 pick being traded was 1993 when GS sent #3 (Penny Hardaway) and 3 future 1sts to ORL for #1 (Chris Weber).

The asking price for Flagg would probably be something similar (maybe 2 1sts instead of 3), and I doubt the Spurs would do it if Dallas offered.

#2 and 2 FRP’s for Flagg? Sign me in. I’m sure the Spurs too in a heartbeat.

On that note, Chris Webber wasn’t considered a generational talent. But I’d take Webber over Flagg anytime. Took Michigan twice to NCAA Finals. Flagg didn’t even get there once. Fab Five was crazy talented but as well as Flagg’s team. But Christian Laetner’s team with Grant Hill?

[OldMan88]

I didn’t have trading Wemby on the bingo card of #2 strategies lmao

It’s definitely out-of-the-box thinking to trade Wemby for another #1 generational player. Sure, the DVT issue could be a consideration if it was determined to be another Nephew type chronic condition, but a recent article talking about Wemby’s continuing growth by several inches may have other ramifications for his long term future. Getting taller isn’t really in his long term best interest.

[exstatic]

It’s definitely out-of-the-box thinking to trade Wemby for another #1 generational player. Sure, the DVT issue could be a consideration if it was determined to be another Nephew type chronic condition, but a recent article talking about Wemby’s continuing growth by several inches may have other ramifications for his long term future. Getting taller isn’t really in his long term best interest.

Flagg isn’t generational. He’s Tatum without a tan.

[BatManu20]

Spurs offering Wemby for the #1 Pick is so unconceivable that Dallas would likely become su ious right away and assume that Wemby's blood-clot condition is chronic or something.

[Ice009]

It’s definitely out-of-the-box thinking to trade Wemby for another #1 generational player. Sure, the DVT issue could be a consideration if it was determined to be another Nephew type chronic condition, but a recent article talking about Wemby’s continuing growth by several inches may have other ramifications for his long term future. Getting taller isn’t really in his long term best interest.

I don't remember seeing an article about that. Was it just speculation that he's still growing, or has he been measured again? He does look taller than his listed height when standing next to people that are 7 foot or taller. It'd be interesting to see pictures of him next to DRob his rookie year and again now to see if he's looking taller when measured up to DRob.

Spurs offering Wemby for the #1 Pick is so unconceivable that Dallas would likely become su ious right away and assume that Wemby's blood-clot condition is chronic or something.

Yeah, that would probably throw them for a loop. They'd immediately be thinking what is going on here.