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    Spurs have the assets now to really push them to contenders. 14th pick is unlikely to contribute this season, but is possible.

    Vassell is out of position now with Harper getting drafted.

    Fox, Castle and Harper's stock might even drop as the fit isn't ideal.

    West isn't getting worse.
    glad you arent the GM. What an idiot.

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    glad you arent the GM. What an idiot.
    Explain. Because the consensus is that the Spurs should trade for a star this off season.

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    glad you arent the GM. What an idiot.
    Explain. Because the consensus is that the Spurs should trade for a star this off season.

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    Explain. Because the consensus is that the Spurs should trade for a star this off season.
    Is it really? The consensus seems to be that the Spurs should make minor, improving moves, while keeping their powder dry and seeing how Harper fits the new roster.

    I'm on the "Trade For KD" camp, but even still, I don't feel like trading for other stars or big players (maybe Markannen) is a good move for this off-season, and most people tend to agree from what I see.

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    you are falling for a mock draft written by Spurs hater Kevin O‘Connor who said on multiple occasions that he doesn’t want to see Harper go to San Antonio. Phoenix doesn’t have much leverage here, no matter what KD is worth in your eyes.
    Not sure how saying 'interesting comment' is akin to "falling for" and as much as I don't like MAGA O'Connor, he's one of the rare high or relatively so profile media who doesn't dislike the Spurs.

    Again, not sure how saying 'guessing that it'd have to be something like this to consummate' is akin to that being "worth" Durant, but if the Spurs have significant interest, the Suns have more leverage because they have the asset, so they can trade him elsewhere.

    The Timberwolves are the most common team thrown around and that package would have to start with Randle, a borderline All-Star caliber player. If the Spurs flotsam and jetsam was getting it done, he'd have been here at the trade deadline.

    It’s not about homerism. They shopped him around at the deadline without his knowledge, and he’s done. They have to move him before training camp, and he’ll go at a discount because the PHO organization are a bunch of clueless noobs.
    I'm aware, but again, there's a chasm between historic haul and spare parts and because the Spurs don't have 8/9 to peddle and obviously 2 straight up would be a no go, they need something of significance to be the centerpiece of the package.

    Yeah, if I'm the Spurs, I'm not including Harper in a trade for KD at his current age. If he were younger, I'd consider it, but no way would I do it now. And as for Jakucionis, what spot would the Spurs pick him at if they were actually interested?
    As I've said, I wouldn't either and more importantly, I don't think the Spurs would.

    It reads like or at least I interpreted as Jakicionis would have been an option had the Spurs landed at 8/9.

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    Explain. Because the consensus is that the Spurs should trade for a star this off season.
    No it’s not. Only really KOC is pushing for that, because he hates them, and wants to see their payroll accelerated so that the team comes apart quicker.

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    Is it really? The consensus seems to be that the Spurs should make minor, improving moves, while keeping their powder dry and seeing how Harper fits the new roster.

    I'm on the "Trade For KD" camp, but even still, I don't feel like trading for other stars or big players (maybe Markannen) is a good move for this off-season, and most people tend to agree from what I see.
    Yeah, I don’t think the fanbase has formulated anything coming close to a “consensus” of what we want at this point other than taking Harper at 2 (and even then, there are a few that don’t agree)

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    There's a better chance of that (in the scenario I mentioned) than the Suns trading Durant for #14.

    Homers have taken him no longer being worth a historic haul as him not being worth much at all, as if there isn't a chasm between those two extremes.
    The suns need to get rid of him. Theyre not in a position of strength. The owner is paying a big tax bill for a non playoff team that brings lots of negative media. He has a huge contract and it's expiring. They're obviously wanting the most they can get from any team but the 14 is where they should start without a doubt. Most media pundits say the same. A team is doing them a favor taking durant off their books.

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    Yeah, I don’t think the fanbase has formulated anything coming close to a “consensus” of what we want at this point other than taking Harper at 2 (and even then, there are a few that don’t agree)
    Yup... I'd take Harper at 2 myself, but i wouldn't be against trading it if the FO didn't see him as the best player at 2. It's just hard to see a trade that makes sense out there.

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    Not sure how saying 'interesting comment' is akin to "falling for" and as much as I don't like MAGA O'Connor, he's one of the rare high or relatively so profile media who doesn't dislike the Spurs.

    Again, not sure how saying 'guessing that it'd have to be something like this to consummate' is akin to that being "worth" Durant, but if the Spurs have significant interest, the Suns have more leverage because they have the asset, so they can trade him elsewhere.

    The Timberwolves are the most common team thrown around and that package would have to start with Randle, a borderline All-Star caliber player. If the Spurs flotsam and jetsam was getting it done, he'd have been here at the trade deadline.
    They can trade him elsewhere, but if KD does not verbally agree to extend with that team, then it'll hurt the Suns chances unless a team like the T-Wolves would be fine with a 1-year rental. I'd assume Minnessota will try to get him. If the price is too high, the Spurs should just go into another direction.

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    The suns need to get rid of him. Theyre not in a position of strength. The owner is paying a big tax bill for a non playoff team that brings lots of negative media. He has a huge contract and it's expiring. They're obviously wanting the most they can get from any team but the 14 is where they should start without a doubt. Most media pundits say the same. A team is doing them a favor taking durant off their books.
    Not in a general sense, but in direct relation to the Spurs in the hypothetical that they have significant interest.

    No one is doing the Suns a favor by "taking" a top 20 (most would probably say 15 or even slightly higher) player and the 14th pick is both not good enough quality to be a centerpiece and not aligned with the Suns (foolish) plan of continuing to remain pseudo compe ive while re-tooling around Booker.


    They can trade him elsewhere, but if KD does not verbally agree to extend with that team, then it'll hurt the Suns chances unless a team like the T-Wolves would be fine with a 1-year rental. I'd assume Minnessota will try to get him. If the price is too high, the Spurs should just go into another direction.
    I presume it'll be a prerequisite for any team trading for him doing so with the understanding that he'll extended.

    I agree with the last point.

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    Not in a general sense, but in direct relation to the Spurs in the hypothetical that they have significant interest.

    No one is doing the Suns a favor by "taking" a top 20 (most would probably say 15 or even slightly higher) player and the 14th pick is both not good enough quality to be a centerpiece and not aligned with the Suns (foolish) plan of continuing to remain pseudo compe ive while re-tooling around Booker.




    I presume it'll be a prerequisite for any team trading for him doing so with the understanding that he'll extended.

    I agree with the last point.
    I also think there might be a good chance that Brian Wright can pull off aquiring another asset as a facilitator. A few years back he traded in a couple of second rounders for a future first. I'd assume Phoenix would want a future draft pick that they can use for trades, rather than just getting one in this years draft.

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    Not in a general sense, but in direct relation to the Spurs in the hypothetical that they have significant interest.

    No one is doing the Suns a favor by "taking" a top 20 (most would probably say 15 or even slightly higher) player and the 14th pick is both not good enough quality to be a centerpiece and not aligned with the Suns (foolish) plan of continuing to remain pseudo compe ive while re-tooling around Booker.




    I presume it'll be a prerequisite for any team trading for him doing so with the understanding that he'll extended.

    I agree with the last point.
    We know there was mutual interest already. That's been reported. Spurs clearly have assets the suns are intrigued by. The 14th and future picks would be very lucrative for an expiring contract that they want to move.
    Once again, yes, it is absolutely doing them a favor to move a 50 mil contract. Today's salary and apron are not what they used to be. Today's world of 50 mil contracts is much more complicated and burdensome than years past. Of course people weren't making that, but that size of a contract with a losing team and losing media coverage hurts in more ways than one financially for the oowner.at the end of the day you see some of these crazy trades because of money.

    Luka is a prime example.

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    Phoenix might be too stupid to know what how bad a bad deal is.

    This is the team that traded an unprotected pick for three crappy firsts just to have them, it wasn't even in furtherance of an expected deal

    Their current head of basketball operations qualifications for the job is being an assistant at Michigan State when the owner was on the team. He's a college lifer who just recently was fired after 4 losing seasons as coach of South Florida, that guy doesn't know what's going on

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    Phoenix might be too stupid to know what how bad a bad deal is.

    This is the team that traded an unprotected pick for three crappy firsts just to have them, it wasn't even in furtherance of an expected deal

    Their current head of basketball operations qualifications for the job is being an assistant at Michigan State when the owner was on the team. He's a college lifer who just recently was fired after 4 losing seasons as coach of South Florida, that guy doesn't know what's going on
    Keep trading with the suckers. Too bad the Suns have emptied their draft asset cupboard so much there's nothing left worth trading for. An unprotected 2032 swap is the most they can offer.

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    Explain. Because the consensus is that the Spurs should trade for a star this off season.

    Thats not the consensus. Its just dumb wishful thinking to kill possible dynasty oppurtunity by mortgaging the farm for two old guys like Durant or Giannis. Giannis is a bad fit anyway for what we have to give up for him. KD I would take fir Keldon/Vassell/Sochan and one first rounder but not the number 2 because thats Harper the next super star.

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    Thats not the consensus. Its just dumb wishful thinking to kill possible dynasty oppurtunity by mortgaging the farm for two old guys like Durant or Giannis. Giannis is a bad fit anyway for what we have to give up for him. KD I would take fir Keldon/Vassell/Sochan and one first rounder but not the number 2 because thats Harper the next super star.
    No one here wants to trade Harper.

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    Thats not the consensus. Its just dumb wishful thinking to kill possible dynasty oppurtunity by mortgaging the farm for two old guys like Durant or Giannis. Giannis is a bad fit anyway for what we have to give up for him. KD I would take fir Keldon/Vassell/Sochan and one first rounder but not the number 2 because thats Harper the next super star.
    Like, have you even read the thread at all?

    Not one person here has suggested trading the number 2 pick/Harper for him, so I am not sure why you're bringing that up.

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    Like, have you even read the thread at all?

    Not one person here has suggested trading the number 2 pick/Harper for him, so I am not sure why you're bringing that up.
    I was more alluding to the dumb blogs and podcasts to create clicks.

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    I was more alluding to the dumb blogs and podcasts to create clicks.
    OK, didn't know that is what/who you were referring to. In that case, I agree with you. I guess they're going for clicks like you said, as if they actually looked at it, they'd see that trading for Giannis or someone like that would leave the team too depleted with no draft picks to replenish it.

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    #10 and salary filler for KD. That’s all.

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    #10 and salary filler for KD. That’s all.
    Pretty much...there's no reason to bid against yourself unless we decide to put in an offer.

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    #10 and salary filler for KD. That’s all.
    I think you’re in the same situation with Phoenix that we are with Atlanta: they want their picks back, and aren’t willing to do deals with less than that.

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    Aren't KAT and Booker best friends?
    Knicks should offer them a 1:1 trade, KAT will always be a defensive liability in the playoffs.

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    Aren't KAT and Booker best friends?
    Knicks should offer them a 1:1 trade, KAT will always be a defensive liability in the playoffs.
    Boom! That's a trade that makes sense for both teams.

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