Barnes defensive metrics are as bad as Keldon‘s. He‘s one of the 3 worst defenders on the roster. Cam Johnson would be 4th. They can absolutely be exploited and if you watch the playoffs that‘s exactly what teams have been doing in the postseason. It‘s like 3-point shooting defenders don’t exist cause people have a love affair with Cam Johnson who‘s a negative on defense.
There‘s plenty of players who can do both.
Man, I'm a Bruce Bowen fan. I'm interested in 3&D players, but I have no interest in 3&No D players. If Cam Johnson is a poor defender (probably a question I should have asked ages ago if he could at least play defense, but since I never really had any interest in him, I didn't bother), why would the Spurs want to waste assets on him?
The problem I have with Cam Johnson isn't so much his defense. It's that he is a poor rebounder. We need shooting, but also need to be good on the boards considering who your center is. Vassell is also a poor rebounder for his position. Not sure about Fox or Castle. This makes Sochan necessary despite his shooting short comings.
It's a pretty easy decision for me then. I just wouldn't do either deal at those prices and yell phoenix and Brooklyn to go find better deals if they think they are out there. In regard to KD, it just comes down to where he wants to be. If he wants to be here then nobody is trumping that offer for what would be a disgruntled Star. In the case of Brooklyn they've just got to decide if they want to overvalue Cam again like they did at the deadline. He's not a must have anyways. He's a nice fit, but it's not something that we can't get elsewhere.
Some commonsense. I keep coming back to Windhorst's statement from a few months ago about how the KD markets is going to be much more tepid than he/Suns hope. It's all to logical (KD's age, ty negotiation position, KD's injuries, KD's divaness, etc.)
Folks here overrate the crap out of this guy. I don't think teams view him as THAT much better than Vassell honestly (especially factoring age), and certainly not enough to couple with #8 to jump all the way to #2 as had been suggested elsewhere. That's just insane.
I really do think if either Vassell or Keldon were on the Brooklyn Nets this season, either of them could have averaged 20ppg. Johnson is a better shooter, but that doesn't mean he's worth 2 or 3 first round picks (weren't Brooklyn after 2 or 3 first round picks for him last trade deadline? If that is correct/true, they're dreaming). If he's also a poor rebounder and average defender, no way I'd even give up a first round pick for him without some protections on it.
In his defense, he had the benefit of healthier teams and playing in tandem with Herb Jones in the past, as opposed to last season when he was suddenly the leader in minutes on a bad injured team. I don't think Murphy will ever be a defensive stopper, but he could be effective in a good defensive scheme.
My hope is for more of a man-child type at the 4, which Cam Johnson most certainly is not.
PJ Washington is my first choice and as Nico stated, they are working on both win now and build for the future timelines. Good luck with that! But, they need a point guard and may be wheeling and dealing. Hopefully we can grab a big from them.
Can't wait for the draft night insanity to be followed by free agency and trade season. Might have to purchase a movie theater popcorn machine for July 6 at 12pm. It's going to be an interesting spectacle.
Reggie, is that you?
(Reggie Miller doesn't know the meaning of manchild.)
All I know is Spurs better start valuing players who can shoot, dribble and defend.
Sochan/Vassell/Johnson should be moved sooner than later. If this were the 90s - they’d be great players to have. And the media knows these guys aren’t very good but too afraid to say it publicly. Privately though…
The league has changed/changing pretty fast the last decade. Player need to be versatile/dynamic. Spurs keep talking about positionless basketball. But that only works when the players themselves are multi skilled.
Zion it is then. No bigger man-child than him in the NBA.
ive been much cooler on a cam johnson trade than most here, but in his defense, he's not just some guy who stands in the corner with his hands out waiting to catch and shoot. he's a very well rounded offensive player. he can put the ball on the floor, pull up in short/midrange spots, solid touch when he gets inside, and a nice passer too. for an off-ball player like him, averaging 3.5 assists is quite nice (as opposed to somebody like MPJ).
but yeah, he has something of a keldon-ish build, which is why he cant really keep up with quicker 3's, and usually just gets by defending some of the smaller 4s. has subpar positional size for the 4 so the rebounding is there and his defense is usually not impactful. i do think if he is starting next to somebody like sochan they can cross-match though, and that would be a pretty effecitve use ofr him. but he needs to be in a lineup that can optimize him that way and i dont see that starting sochan is going to make sense for the spurs anytime soon
true. from a spurs perspective if he is starting next to somebody like Castle, with Wemby behind him, and with us potentially drafting a defensive forward at 14 with Bryant/Fleming/Coward, i think he'd be fine
No bigger anything.
Spurs should prioritize players who can guard positions up and switch like OKC. Our PF should be someone who can guard centers in the post so Wemby can roam at the rim and play help. Like the Lakers did 2 years back when they put Rui Hachimura on Joker
I'm not sure what you're referring to with the new system versus the old system. I'm using the 5-year min just as shorthand because there will probably be a mix of players who fill out the roster and I was too lazy to look up the exact minimum deal for the people I explicitly named and then I assume when they expire they get backfilled by some other minimum guy. These aren't meant to act as roster charges, but an estimate of what the actual payroll would end up looking like in this scenario.
A 2-year versus a 5-year is a little under a $400k difference this year, going up to around $450k in 2027-28. So that would be an additional $3.1MM of tax space in 27-28 if you subs uted 2-year vets for 5-year vets in my scenario.
I agree. I think Vassell and Cam are about equal on court, but Vassell's age and theoretical upside make him more valuable.
Devin would tear it up as Brooklyn's tank commander. I'd consider a Devin for Cam swap straight up, just because Cam fits better, but I'm not interested in giving up any draft capital for Cam and I don't think Brooklyn is in the kind of position where they are going to send out draft capital for anyone, because they are still tanking and rebuilding.
Spot on. TMIII isn't a defensive ace, but he's capable of being a good team defender.
Except he has the 11th worst defensive rating in the league at 120.6. He makes Harrison Barnes look like Wemby. I do believe part of it is a lack of effort on that end of the floor playing for a POS team like Brooklyn. Save it for the offensive end that will more readily translate into contract dollars at some point.
Not Reggie, I promise. I think I have a good grip on the man-child idea. More on the man side than Cam Johnson at the PF spot is my only point here.
One-year vet min deals count for the two-year amount for tax purposes no matter what level of experience the player has. Unless these guys are signing two-year min deals, there's no reason to use any other amount. That's not me trying to discredit your chart, just explaining how those contracts work and wondering if that was one of the changes they made to min deals recently.
Thanks, I didn't know that. So no, I'm not using 5-year because of a change to the rules.
The CBA Faq still says this, so I will update my sheet to reflect this going forward.
- For players who signed as free agents (i.e., not draft picks) under the current CBA, and make less than the two-year minimum salary, the minimum salary for a two-year veteran is used in place of their actual salary.2,3
- For minimum salary players whose salary is partially paid by the league (see question number 22) only the amount paid by the team (the two-year minimum salary) is taxed.
When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, 10-day or Rest-of-Season contract at the minimum salary, the league reimburses the team for part of his salary -- any amount above the minimum salary for a two-year veteran. For example, the minimum salary for a two-year veteran in 2017-18 is $1,471,382, so for a ten-year veteran, with a minimum salary of $2,328,652, the league would reimburse the team $857,270. Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player's full salary. They do this so teams won't shy away from signing older veterans simply because they are more expensive than younger veterans.
An idea seen on Reddit. Certainly a reasonable price, but KAT is on a short list of Never Spurs for me... so I would hate this:
no on KAT, but the 3 team framework is interesting. Tinkering with the Spotrac trade machine, this framework works on the salary after July 1.An idea seen on Reddit. Certainly a reasonable price, but KAT is on a short list of Never Spurs for me... so I would hate this:
SAS: OG
MIL: KAT+ Dev
NYK: Giannis + Kuz + Connington
Obviously MIL would need to be overwhelmed with picks, but I think the Knicks would have to chip in as much as us. Not sure if #2 + Dev for OG is warranted here.
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