2025 NBA Offseason Thread

[Dex]

They also fired their coach who was actually good.

They just wanted to give Morant another shot. Gotta keep your finger on the trigger...

[Dex]

Kuminga is nothing more than Keldon Johnson on a small dose of steroids.

Which team needs a 6’6 power forward that shoots 33% from 3, has an assist to turnover ratio of just over 1, is an average rebounder and mediocre defender? No one by the sounds of it.

I thought we were done talking about Zach Collins

[baseline bum]

Not to overthink things, but spurs have to have something planned, they wouldn’t let Mamu walk for so little if they didnt have something lined up instead of bringing him back.

Yeah wtf he signed for basically league minimum

[baseline bum]

Pretty ty list. spurs are probably done unless there is a trade, can't see the use in most of the remaining guys

Should get Bol Bol so we can always have a Wemby on the floor

[spurraider21]

Should get Bol Bol so we can always have a Wemby on the floor

[Chinook]

only thing i could come up with on the nurkic thing is they are hedging for a Kessler trade... so buying Nurkic to help them sell Kessler, i dont know. but the jazz should be acting like the pre-wemby spurs did... any reasonable player (like kessler) should be extended. they shouldnt be picky and looking to trade kessler unless theyre getting a haul

You think after seeing the Spurs having to deal with Vassell and Johnson's contracts that Utah should automatically do the same? Kessler feels like a guy who is who he is at this point. So if who he is isn't good enough, trade him. Don't re-up him hoping he has an unexpected breakthrough.

as for the barnes thing... he was starting at SF early in the year with sochan at the 4.

Barnes can be the "SF" if he's next to a guy like Sochan who can cover both positions and give Harrison the easier matchup. While he and Sochan could come off the bench, there's not really a point in it given the rest of the forwards on the roster. Between Castle, Vassell, Sochan and whatever minutes Wemby might take next to Kornet, there might only be minutes for one other player. Hopefully that's Bryant. That's not even counting Collins' minutes. They just wouldn't have the room for him. The Spurs may like Barnes in a vacuum, but I agree with the folks saying they'd get Collins essentially to upgrade over Harrison. He's a great locker room guy who could be great as the deep bench player. But the Spurs need their rotational forwards to do other things besides just shoot, and some other team could probably use Barnes in an actual role.

[spurraider21]

You think after seeing the Spurs having to deal with Vassell and Johnson's contracts that Utah should automatically do the same? Kessler feels like a guy who is who he is at this point. So if who he is isn't good enough, trade him. Don't re-up him hoping he has an unexpected breakthrough.

i specifically said pre-wemby spurs. spurs now with wemby actually have to shape the roster to work around their bedrock foundational part(s). utah isnt there yet. i think kessler will hold his value better than keldon.

Barnes can be the "SF" if he's next to a guy like Sochan who can cover both positions and give Harrison the easier matchup. While he and Sochan could come off the bench, there's not really a point in it given the rest of the forwards on the roster. Between Castle, Vassell, Sochan and whatever minutes Wemby might take next to Kornet, there might only be minutes for one other player. Hopefully that's Bryant. That's not even counting Collins' minutes. They just wouldn't have the room for him. The Spurs may like Barnes in a vacuum, but I agree with the folks saying they'd get Collins essentially to upgrade over Harrison. He's a great locker room guy who could be great as the deep bench player. But the Spurs need their rotational forwards to do other things besides just shoot, and some other team could probably use Barnes in an actual role.

yean barnes/sochan could work in some situations, but probably not with a fox and castle/harper backcourt. i dont think we should just assume jeremy is going to be good enough to earn 25+ minutes. maybe he plays great and earns a spot ahead of collins, i dno. collins is expiring anyway, and if the goal of the deal includes getting off a year of keldon, thats not a horrible scenario anyway.

if collins' resurgence is real, then all it does is bring compe ion and thats not a bad thing. im not thinking about "oh no, but those are bryan's minutes" or "those are HB's minutes". if theyre good enough to earn them, the'll see the floor.

[SpursGenius]

A Coffee would be solid get. Need another shooter.

[spurraider21]

coffey is nice offensively but is a poor defender. better than branham, but thats about it

[Biggems]

How expensive would Horford be?

I would really like to take Kessler of Utah's hands.

[DPG21920]

This may be crazy, but the denizens of some fan website may just be wrong.

I’m ok with their path - I’m stating a fact as of now. It’s clear they like what they have and want to see it through. It’s understandable

[DPG21920]

They weren't going to play Sexton anymore, and they could see themselves playing Nurkic. The Jazz probably want to be facilitators more than buyers or sellers. Collins' huge contract could offer relief to a team selling in order to save on future salary during the season. That's why they'd want to keep him. Nurkic can play a similar role. I'd expect both to be bought out by the deadline if not moved earlier.



I don't think the Spurs want to keep Barnes if they don't think he's a starting PF. They'd want to move him to a team where he could keep his streak going. But even if they're willing to be the team that breaks the streak, I don't think they should want to keep him if they intend to get Collins. There's really not a place in the rotation for him outside of the starting PF. There aren't a ton of forward minutes, and there a many guys who could get them, including Wemby and Castle/Vassell. As end-of-bench depth, sure. But if they get Collins, Sochan and Bryant should be getting the bulk of the remaining minutes, with Keldon and/or Champagnie likely holding Bryant's place for the year.

All else being equal I’d rather have Collins not play than Keldon not play and get off 17m in 2nd year.

[spurraider21]

How expensive would Horford be?

I would really like to take Kessler of Utah's hands.

we just signed a backup C to a 40 million dollar deal, we're good man

[024]

Pretty ty list. spurs are probably done unless there is a trade, can't see the use in most of the remaining guys

How is Boucher? His advanced stats are decent and he would add some extra length, defense, and rebounding at the 4 without compromising the spacing.

Then add a third string center and spend the rest of the offseason pitching Keldon trade ideas.

[cutewizard]

[venitian navigator]

If Paul wants really tò be back in Phoenix, why dont Explore the chance of a trade exception or some players back from them (ex Fleming or Richards considering we still have big men spot available)?

[cutewizard]

Guys, did you notice what happened a while ago? the forum was inaccessible for some minutes........

[HankChinaski]

Looks like they want to run this team with the current wings under contract. Not the greatest outcome but overall spurs improved via draft and resolved the backup C. happy with that. Just frustrating as a fan but that is how this front office operates.

Now to go through summer league and preseason and then see how teams look near the trade deadline and see where the front office can squeeze into a deal bringing in assets or draft capital to make us more compe ive and flexible

[baseline bum]

All else being equal I’d rather have Collins not play than Keldon not play and get off 17m in 2nd year.

I don't understand wanting to get off Keldon's salary when it doesn't hurt the team since it expires before Wemby's extension starts, but not wanting to get off Vassell's four year deal which badly hurts the team and makes it a pain to sign Castle.

[SpursFan86]

I don't understand wanting to get off Keldon's salary when it doesn't hurt the team since it expires before Wemby's extension starts, but not wanting to get off Vassell's four year deal which badly hurts the team and makes it a pain to sign Castle.

2 things:

1) Most of the people who are against trading Vassell are still holding out hope he can look better in a different environment. He’s shown more flashes than Keldon and it’s not insane to think he can be a better defender or more efficient if he takes a smaller role. Not saying it’s a guarantee, but some people (and seemingly the Spurs) will take that bet.

2) Vassell at least has more use to this current roster. Let’s say we move Vassell for Collins…we replace one shooter (yes, I know he’s not lights out but you at least have to guard him on the perimeter) with another. We would then be down to just 3 guards that are actually relevant and be stuck with a million guys who really need to play the 3 or 4.

It’s not that I’m thrilled with Vassell’s contract or think it’s a total non-issue. It’s just not to the point where I’m willing to pretty much give him up for nothing. With Keldon I’d gladly give it up for next to nothing and even attach a couple of SRPs in the process.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't understand wanting to get off Keldon's salary when it doesn't hurt the team since it expires before Wemby's extension starts, but not wanting to get off Vassell's four year deal which badly hurts the team and makes it a pain to sign Castle.

we get it, you hate Vassell. You don't have to remind us 3 times per day

[DPG21920]

I don't understand wanting to get off Keldon's salary when it doesn't hurt the team since it expires before Wemby's extension starts, but not wanting to get off Vassell's four year deal which badly hurts the team and makes it a pain to sign Castle.

Who said that? I was one of the first here to say Dev appears to be odd man out and paid too much for what appears to be a serious risk of a reduced role.

But if other teams prefer a smaller deal would you keep Keldon just because they wont take Dev?

Keldon deal is a non issue but if he’s not playing and you can shed a year it makes sense

[Ice009]

2 things:

1) Most of the people who are against trading Vassell are still holding out hope he can look better in a different environment. He’s shown more flashes than Keldon and it’s not insane to think he can be a better defender or more efficient if he takes a smaller role. Not saying it’s a guarantee, but some people (and seemingly the Spurs) will take that bet.

2) Vassell at least has more use to this current roster. Let’s say we move Vassell for Collins…we replace one shooter (yes, I know he’s not lights out but you at least have to guard him on the perimeter) with another. We would then be down to just 3 guards that are actually relevant and be stuck with a million guys who really need to play the 3 or 4.

It’s not that I’m thrilled with Vassell’s contract or think it’s a total non-issue. It’s just not to the point where I’m willing to pretty much give him up for nothing. With Keldon I’d gladly give it up for next to nothing and even attach a couple of SRPs in the process.

I agree with this 100%. I'm just on that side of the fence by 60% still willing to give him a chance. If the Spurs can trade him and get someone that fits better, definitely do it, but if not, I still have a little bit of belief in him becoming a good role player for the Spurs. I think/feel the Spurs want to give him that chance. I certainly don't want to trade him by attaching assets to get rid of him. However, seeing the deals some of these guys like NAW got this offseason kind of hurts as I would have much rather had NAW for his salary or DFS for his salary than Devin. I just hope Devin can do something and reach some of that defensive potential and/or be a valuable off ball shooter/scorer he projected to be when he was first drafted. Plus he was coming off of injury and has a new role to adjust to. It looked like he was starting to play more defense towards the end of the season, but unfortunately that was without Victor and Fox in the lineup. Even if he does well, the Spurs can still trade him if they get a deal they like. He would also be more appealing to teams if he does play better.

I also wonder how good of friends he and Victor are as someone mentioned Devin was in France (I assume he was staying with Victor?) when the Spurs announced the new sponsorship deal and people thought he might be getting trading as no one had seen him around at all.

[Dex]

Guys, did you notice what happened a while ago? the forum was inaccessible for some minutes........

The hamster stepped away to get a coffee

[Mr. Body]

If this site goes down how will the FO know what to do?