Spurs trade ideas

[scott]

Keldon is objectively better than Collins at this point of their careers.

Ohno. Someone used objectively and Collins in the same sentence again. Different Collins… same mistake.

[CGD]

do you know what the word "objective" means?

Collins in 2025 (30mpg):

19ppg on 53%/39%/84% .628 TS%
8.2rpg
2.0apg
1.0spg
1.0bpg
19.0 PER
0.9 VORP
1.0 BPM



Keldon in 2025 (24mpg):

12.7ppg on 48%/32%/77% .572 TS%
4.8rpg
1.6apg
0.6spg
0.3bpg
15.9 PER
0.2 VORP
-1.6 BPM


The numbers suggest that Collins is objectively better than Keldon by a significant margin. Neither of these guys are world beaters but it's easy to see who the better player is (and always has been)

Got it, so Collins gets credit for being an empty calories stat stuffer on a flagrantly tanking team (to the point of fines) that allows him to plays 6mpg more a game and start. Why don’t we sign D’Angelo Russell and Jordan Clarkson while we’re at it. They have neat metrics too!

[CGD]

I'm convinced the Keldon apologists live in an alternate reality. One where Keldon actually does productive stuff, instead of being a complete cancer at both sides of the ball, tbh.

My brothers, yall need to realize that Keldon isn't the player you think he is. He's actually pretty bad, and a detriment for the overall production of the team.

We’re comparing him to… John Collins. Our savior apparently of this forum is to be believed.

Don’t be dishonest. No one is saying Keldon is some worldbeater. Some of yall are so blinded for your dislike of the dude that you’d suggest trading Keldon for a bag of skittles. My point is there are better opportunities to move him later in the year than for John freaking Collins, lol.

[CGD]

objectively better… no

describing keldon as somebody who will have appeal at the deadline as a “functioning expiring contract” even though he is objectively not expiring and owed 17.5 mil fully guaranteed in 26-27 (same as his salary this season, not declining, for what it’s worth)

the plan would be to not be saddled with and committed to an overpaid player who is already on his way out of the rotation. Even as an expiring a year from now, unless Keldon has some incredible year in his projected decreased role, he’s going to cost some capital to offload

If you just want to say a keldon for Collins dead is bad because you think keldon is better, just say that. But not objective, and keldon is not a functioning expiring contract

Wut?

[kobyz]

Keldon Johnson and protected pick for Quinten Grimes

[CGD]

Data can be hilarious absent context.

Reminds me when I worked in the foreign service for a brief stint under baby Bush. They were trying really hard to make inroads with some African countries in ag, and had a popular talking point at the time along the lines of “Africa has unlocked talent. Madagascar had the 3rd fastest growing GDP in the world!”

Finally, one intrepid reported states: “But it’s Madagascar….”

[spurraider21]

Wut?

I can only explain it for you, i can’t understand it for you

[CGD]

I can only explain it for you, i can’t understand it for you

No, I get it. I just don’t understand why you’re so concerned in making sure a billionaire NBA owner gets to pay less for a roster next year. So he can rent cap space for a few seconds that he’ll flip for cash?

Bottomline: tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat, or some such nonsense.

[spurraider21]

No, I get it. I just don’t understand why you’re so concerned in making sure a billionaire NBA owner gets to pay less for a roster next year. So he can rent cap space for a few seconds that he’ll flip for cash?

Bottomline: tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat, or some such nonsense.

I have been a broken record about not caring about the owners pockets. I care to the extent the cap impacts the ability to make transactions due to league rules.

not being on the hook for keldon making 17.5 mil in 26-27 will help the squad. Don’t give a crap about Holt

[Ariel]

the plan would be to not be saddled with and committed to an overpaid player who is already on his way out of the rotation. Even as an expiring a year from now, unless Keldon has some incredible year in his projected decreased role, he’s going to cost some capital to offload

Dumping him into cap space, yes. But including him as salary filler in a trade, no. By the trade deadline he'd have roughly the same contract Zach Collins had when he was sent to Chicago, I'm sure somebody will take him. I'm more concerned about Vassell though.

[spurraider21]

Dumping him into cap space, yes. But including him as salary filler in a trade, no. By the trade deadline he'd have roughly the same contract Zach Collins had when he was sent to Chicago, I'm sure somebody will take him. I'm more concerned about Vassell though.

I have no idea what this means. Why would this matter from the spurs perspective what the receiving teams situation is?

[RC_Drunkford]

You know you lost the argument when you have to resort to making stuff up, tbh.



I pointed out his rookie season because you literally said "he's been a 3pt shooter since he got to the league".

You know what's another indication that you lost the argument? Starting with the personal insults, tbh.

ain't none of that made up, you wanted Vucevic back then when he was on the Magic, because "he's a better passer than LaMarcus". Got dementia already?

[RC_Drunkford]

Keldon is objectively better than Collins at this point of their careers.

If you told me there was a plan for the $17M savings in 2026 aside from just having “flexibility” then cool. Go for it. Otherwise it’s really dumb asset management.

tell us again how Keldon is "objectively" better:

[Ariel]

I have no idea what this means. Why would this matter from the spurs perspective what the receiving teams situation is?

It means it's not as bad of a contract as he's being made out to be, he's a negative if the Spurs were trying to dump his contract into somebody else's cap space (say, Brooklyn's), but if they wait until the trade deadline and a trade opportunity comes along, I think there's a good chance he's used as a trade filler without much trouble like Zach Collins was.

[Joseph Kony]

Got it, so Collins gets credit for being an empty calories stat stuffer on a flagrantly tanking team (to the point of fines) that allows him to plays 6mpg more a game and start. Why don’t we sign D’Angelo Russell and Jordan Clarkson while we’re at it. They have neat metrics too!

getting butthurt because you dont know what objective means and now trying to pull the stats need context line when the stats objectively disprove your re ed point

[spurraider21]

It means it's not as bad of a contract as he's being made out to be, he's a negative if the Spurs were trying to dump his contract into somebody else's cap space (say, Brooklyn's), but if they wait until the trade deadline and a trade opportunity comes along, I think there's a good chance he's used as a trade filler without much trouble like Zach Collins was.

Considering that my suggestion was to make him part of a trade for John Collins, I’m not sure why This trading into Space scenario is being brought up

[poopbox]

Got it, so Collins gets credit for being an empty calories stat stuffer on a flagrantly tanking team (to the point of fines) that allows him to plays 6mpg more a game and start. Why don’t we sign D’Angelo Russell and Jordan Clarkson while we’re at it. They have neat metrics too!

Wait, what has Keldon been? I would say he has been an "empty calories stat stuffer on a flagrantly tanking team" most of his nba career.

[DAF86]

ain't none of that made up, you wanted Vucevic back then when he was on the Magic, because "he's a better passer than LaMarcus". Got dementia already?

Says the guy that thought Collins was a 3pt shooter since he got to the league.

[RC_Drunkford]

Says the guy that thought Collins was a 3pt shooter since he got to the league.

Plenty of proof provided, even other posters said it. It's not my problem that you are slow.

[CGD]

getting butthurt because you dont know what objective means and now trying to pull the stats need context line when the stats objectively disprove your re ed point

I mean, it is objectively true that Madagascar once had the 3rd fastest growing GDP in the world. It’s still Madagascar tho…

[CGD]

Wait, what has Keldon been? I would say he has been an "empty calories stat stuffer on a flagrantly tanking team" most of his nba career.

We were flagrantly tanking last year?

[poopbox]

We were flagrantly tanking last year?

We signed Biyambo as our starting center and then played Jeremy as our backup

The point guard we paid to start last year still hasn't signed to a team yet

[scott]

We were flagrantly tanking last year?

We were not... and Keldon responded by posting the lowest PPG, lowest 3P%, lowest RPG, and lowest APG since his rookie year while his usage stayed about the same other than the year he averaged 22ppg, which is coincidently the year he most closely fit the definition of "an empty calorie stat stuffer on a flagrantly tanking team"

Is this the kind of context you were looking for?

[CGD]

We were not... and Keldon responded by posting the lowest PPG, lowest 3P%, lowest RPG, and lowest APG since his rookie year while his usage stayed about the same other than the year he averaged 22ppg, which is coincidently the year he most closely fit the definition of "an empty calorie stat stuffer on a flagrantly tanking team"

Is this the kind of context you were looking for?

To be clear I’m not here to defend Keldon’s production, even as his role has continued to evolve over time.

Some of the other takes in here are just blatant player haterade though, and some of the galaxy brain justifications are silly, e.g., John Collins is some hidden in plain sight megastar the entire league is missing on bc he had a good true shooting percentage on a team that one time, or getting “Keldon off the books” bc it will save the team money, etc.

Anyway, my original point is that there will be better uses for his deal by the deadline as he gets closer to being an expiring. Let’s not forget that if DJ doesn’t get injured, Keldon is a key part of “Plan A” for landing Fox to SA.

[objective]

Keldon isn't better than Collins, me speaking

There are other possible reasons the Spurs may not want him. One being his history as a juicer, Spurs might not want him around Wemby with that kind of past.