*****Official Government Shutdown Gamethread*****

[Winehole23]

That's literally the only viable option, permanently ending the filibuster rather than reconciling since the Senate parliamentarian is a generic emilys list leftist fembot appointed by Obama and apparently can't be fired by Trump or the GOP (and the matters the left is shutting the government down with "No" votes aren't even all related to budget anyway)... and Yonivore's analysis is spot-on. Nuking the filibuster unfortunately can't be an executive order or a decision make solely by Thune, you'd literally need 51 yes votes to nuke the filibuster, you already know that Murkowski and Collins won't, you know old s like McConnell have been adamantly pro-filibuster so I doubt the GOP has the votes even if someone like Fetterman voted yes to end the filibuster, which is far from a guarantee since he's a) a Democrat at heart and b) waffled on the issue on his 2022 campaign trail against Oz...

if Rs want to pass a bill, they need to negotiate with the minority

if they refuse to do it, they're not serious about passing a bill

solution: gavel the house in session and get to work, why are y'all still on vacay?

[Millennial_Messiah]

if Rs want to pass a bill, they need to negotiate with the minority

if they refuse to do it, they're not serious about passing a bill

solution: gavel the house in session and get to work, why are y'all still on vacay?

That's ed. It defeats the purpose of having a majority in the first place.

Your side didn't negotiate with our minority in 2010 or 2013, so why should we have to deal with your lousy minority now?

End the filibuster. It has literally no purpose. Neither party is ever getting to 60 senators again, well the GOP theoretically could by 2030 but it's a very narrow path that would require them to win almost all of the swing state senate elections, largely against (D) in bents. With the 2024 elections ushering-out the last of the legacy red-state (D) Senators [Brown, Tester, Manchin], the (D)s are realistically capped at a highest potential of 52 senate seats [the GOP is theoretically capped at 62 + the seat in Maine] (24 states went to Trump by >10% and the country is far too polarized beyond repair to ever elect say, another Democrat for U.S. Senate in a state like North Dakota or Montana, or another Republican for U.S. Senate in a state like Vermont or Massachusetts) so their path to any majority is very narrow and relies on running the table in all of the Biden states + picking off a senate seat or two in NC which is tough but not out of reach I guess...?!?? It's not 2006 anymore... for U.S. Senate, and any federalized election in general, polarization is king.

The point is, the majority makes the laws, not the minority. Elections have consequences. If you want your way, flip the majority, plain and simple. 51/100 votes is a majority and should be enough to pass whatever. And unlike with the U.S. House which has gotten out of control with bat crazy like Prop 50 where you can draw spaghetti districts across a population-rich state to rig the majority (like Pritzker's bat map in Illinois and what Spanberger has been hawking lately in Virginia), in the Senate it's very simple: win the majority of states. And the Dems have been increasingly lousy at appealing to non-urban voters in the past few decades, so it's their fault that they can't come close to sniffing Senate seats or ECV votes in most rural states these days.

[Winehole23]

That's ed. It defeats the purpose of having a majority in the first place.

Your side didn't negotiate with our minority in 2010 or 2013, so why should we have to deal with your lousy minority now?

End the filibuster. It has literally no purpose. Neither party is ever getting to 60 senators again, well the GOP theoretically could by 2030 but it's a very narrow path that would require them to win almost all of the swing state senate elections, largely against (D) in bents. With the 2024 elections ushering-out the last of the legacy red-state (D) Senators [Brown, Tester, Manchin], the (D)s are realistically capped at a highest potential of 52 senate seats [the GOP is theoretically capped at 62 + the seat in Maine] (24 states went to Trump by >10% and the country is far too polarized beyond repair to ever elect say, another Democrat for U.S. Senate in a state like North Dakota or Montana, or another Republican for U.S. Senate in a state like Vermont or Massachusetts) so their path to any majority is very narrow and relies on running the table in all of the Biden states + picking off a senate seat or two in NC which is tough but not out of reach I guess...?!?? It's not 2006 anymore... for U.S. Senate, and any federalized election in general, polarization is king.

The point is, the majority makes the laws, not the minority. Elections have consequences. If you want your way, flip the majority, plain and simple. 51/100 votes is a majority and should be enough to pass whatever. And unlike with the U.S. House which has gotten out of control with bat crazy like Prop 50 where you can draw spaghetti districts across a population-rich state to rig the majority (like Pritzker's bat map in Illinois and what Spanberger has been hawking lately in Virginia), in the Senate it's very simple: win the majority of states. And the Dems have been increasingly lousy at appealing to non-urban voters in the past few decades.

sounds great, just nuke the filibuster

lol blaming Senate rules on the minority

[ChumpDumper]

That's ed. It defeats the purpose of having a majority in the first place.

Your side didn't negotiate with our minority in 2010 or 2013, so why should we have to deal with your lousy minority now?

End the filibuster. It has literally no purpose. Neither party is ever getting to 60 senators again, well the GOP theoretically could by 2030 but it's a very narrow path that would require them to win almost all of the swing state senate elections, largely against (D) in bents. With the 2024 elections ushering-out the last of the legacy red-state (D) Senators [Brown, Tester, Manchin], the (D)s are realistically capped at a highest potential of 52 senate seats [the GOP is theoretically capped at 62 + the seat in Maine] (24 states went to Trump by >10% and the country is far too polarized beyond repair to ever elect say, another Democrat for U.S. Senate in a state like North Dakota or Montana, or another Republican for U.S. Senate in a state like Vermont or Massachusetts) so their path to any majority is very narrow and relies on running the table in all of the Biden states + picking off a senate seat or two in NC which is tough but not out of reach I guess...?!?? It's not 2006 anymore... for U.S. Senate, and any federalized election in general, polarization is king.

The point is, the majority makes the laws, not the minority. Elections have consequences. If you want your way, flip the majority, plain and simple. 51/100 votes is a majority and should be enough to pass whatever. And unlike with the U.S. House which has gotten out of control with bat crazy like Prop 50 where you can draw spaghetti districts across a population-rich state to rig the majority (like Pritzker's bat map in Illinois and what Spanberger has been hawking lately in Virginia), in the Senate it's very simple: win the majority of states. And the Dems have been increasingly lousy at appealing to non-urban voters in the past few decades, so it's their fault that they can't come close to sniffing Senate seats or ECV votes in most rural states these days.

So according to you, this is the Republicans' fault.

[Blake]

So according to you, this is the Republicans' fault.

[Blake]

[Winehole23]

the Republican government shutdown will be costly

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the ongoing federal government shutdown could remove $7 billion to $14 billion from the U.S. economy, reducing fourth-quarter GDP by as much as 2% due to halted government spending.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...cbo-rcna240562

[Winehole23]

Trump impounding funds contrary to a court order and the law

Starving Americans for political clout, as one does now

[koriwhat]

Trump impounding funds contrary to a court order and the law

Starving Americans for political clout, as one does now

not true.

by the way, let them leeches starve!

[Winehole23]

Rs are receiving the blame

[Winehole23]

Senate Republicans blocked a resolution demanding full funding for SNAP benefits.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Shutdown should end by the end of this week. Election night tonight.

[Winehole23]

Shutdown should end by the end of this week. Election night tonight.

^^^sweaty poasting

[Winehole23]

it only gets worse for Rs unless they do something

[Blake]

it only gets worse for Rs unless they do something

Those trillionaire healthcare companies really keeping the pressure on them to hold fast, I guess.

[Winehole23]

Those trillionaire healthcare companies really keeping the pressure on them to hold fast, I guess.

I'm halfway convinced Mike Johnson is waiting for POTUS to kick the bucket before he convenes the House

Epstein files must be really bad for Trump

[Winehole23]

Republican shutdown is bollixing holiday travel

[Blake]

I'm halfway convinced Mike Johnson is waiting for POTUS to kick the bucket before he convenes the House

Epstein files must be really bad for Trump

Lol yeah there's that too

[Winehole23]

Republican shutdown is bollixing holiday travel

lol rationing aviation

letting aviation break down for political leverage

today's Republican sadists

[Winehole23]

US soldiers are not being treated right

An Army installation’s dining facility is closed because of the government shutdown, officials said.


The Fort Leavenworth Installation Warrior Restaurant is closed “until further notice,” base officials announced in a Facebook post. The Warrior Restaurant is the sole dining facility, or DFAC, on the Kansas base.


For most junior enlisted soldiers, DFACs are one of the few on-base options for meals, especially if they don’t have cars to get off post. Additionally, for those living in the barracks, a portion of their paycheck is allocated to cover the costs of eating at the dining facility.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army...ment-shutdown/

[Winehole23]

Trump ordered to pay up

Withholding SNAP money is arbitrary and capricious (i.e, without any colorable legal basis)

U.S. District Court Judge John J. McConnell Jr. from the District of Rhode Island ordered the Trump administration to make full Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) payments for November to states by Friday.



McConnell's Thursday ruling came after administration officials said that partial payments would be sent out in November at an undetermined time.


"It is clear to the court that the administration did not comply with this court's oral order," the judge said of a Nov. 1 ruling.

"The court was clear that the administration had to either make the full payment by this past Monday, or it must, quote, expeditiously resolve the administrative and clerical burdens it described in its papers. But under no cir stances shall the partial payments be made later than Wednesday, November 5, 2025. The record is clear that the administration did neither."


McConnell noted that the Trump administration was causing "irreparable harm" to hungry Americans.


"USDA arbitrarily and capriciously created this problem by ignoring the congressional mandate for contingency funds and failing to timely notify the states," he explained. "They knew that there would be a long delay in paying partial SNAP payments and failed to consider the harms individuals who rely on those benefits would suffer."



The Trump administration also made the "erroneously claim" that certain other funds could not be used for the SNAP program, McConnell observed.


"There is no statute prohibiting USDA from using the funding for SNAP," he said. "A rational premise on such legal, a rationale premised on such legal errors must be set aside as arbitrary and capricious."


"More importantly, without SNAP funding for the month of November, 16 million children are immediately at risk of going hungry," the judge continued. "This should never happen in America. In fact, it's likely that SNAP recipients are hungry as we sit here."


"The defendants are ordered to make the full payment to the states due for November's snap benefits by tomorrow, Friday, November 7, 2025. The request for a stay of this decision, either a stay or an administrative stay, is denied."


McConnell concluded by noting that "people have gone without for too long."


"Not making payments to them for even another day is simply unacceptable," he said.

https://www.rawstory.com/mcconnell-full-snap-payments/

[Winehole23]

the failing 119th Congress and illegal impoundment are taking a bite out of GDP

Hassett: "The impact on the economy of the shutdown is far worse than we expected because it's gone on for so long. Goldman estimate it's over a percent or a percent & a half of GDP. I think we were thinking we were gonna have at least 3% growth in Q4. Now we're expecting something like half that."

[Winehole23]

Trump ordered to pay up

Withholding SNAP money is arbitrary and capricious (i.e, without any colorable legal basis)

https://www.rawstory.com/mcconnell-full-snap-payments/

in response, Trump goes to court to continue to force people to starve

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/1...-snap-00641732

[Winehole23]

Anchorage is the 4th largest port of entry for air cargo

[Winehole23]

Gunning for Marbury v Madison