Trump collecting a toll at global chokepoint is no better than Iran doing it -- das ly
Gee I wonder who the toll fees would ultimately get passed down to
new dolchstosslegende
it won't be long until domestic war critics are blamed for the loss too
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/21/o...smid=url-shareAs the war in Iran appears to come to a fragile close, Americans are left to wonder why it has accomplished so little. How could a middle power like Iran — geopolitically isolated, economically on the ropes after years of sanctions and beset by widespread protests — face down a global superpower that spent $29 billion and counting to end up in a weaker position than it started?
Put simply: Because the United States attempted to essentially go it alone. Acting only with Israel, President Trump believed he could use the unparalleled might of the U.S. military to overwhelm Iran and force it into submission. The president did not seek approval from the U.N. Security Council, as required by the United Nations Charter, making the war illegal from the start and thus radioactive for many of America’s traditional allies. He did not consult with partners in the region before starting a conflict that put them at direct risk. He was confident that if he dropped enough bombs, he would get what he wanted.
He was wrong. President Trump failed to understand that two can play at that game: Iran illegally closed the Strait of Hormuz by threatening to attack ships that entered. It launched drones and missiles against its neighbors. By the time President Trump decided to seek wider support to stop Tehran, it was too late to build a coalition. Even our NATO allies were unwilling to join his illegal war of choice, even though they, too, suffered from the crippling economic effects of Iran’s response.
Indeed, nations long allied with the United States did not just refuse calls to assist in the war; they wanted nothing to do with it. Several states, including stalwart allies, closed their airspace and bases to U.S. forces participating in the war effort. Spain denied both airspace access and the use of joint U.S.-Spanish bases for operations tied to the Iran conflict. France refused overflight for planes carrying U.S. military supplies to Israel. Italy and Switzerland restricted access, too. Britain, which has long celebrated its “special relationship” with America, engaged in an agonized debate about whether to allow its bases to be used, finally deciding to let U.S. forces rely on them only for “defensive” operations. “We are not getting involved in offensive action that the United States and Israel are taking,” Prime Minister Keir Starmer said.
Fox News: "President Trump spoke with Iranian officials overnight and said: You close the strait and you won't have a country. You won't even make it back to your f’ing country ... we'll take over the rest of the country.'"
you're sounding tuff this morning, Mr. President
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this threat comes early in the day, there's plenty of daylight for a market soothing climbdown later
letting Trump blow up negotiations is a choice, but I guess if they had to take Trump's cellphone away that would be an admission that he is unfit
What has brought us to this moment is the president's leadership ... what we have already seen back home in the US is lower gas prices, we've seen the free flow of oil and gas, we've seen peace.
blast from the past
background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanker_war
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sounds kinda imperial
funny we haven't tried before now, what were the last 3 months for?
Lindsey Graham: "I spent 4.5 hours with President Trump. Here's what I think will happen. If this deal fails, he's gonna take the Strait of Hormuz over by force. We'll charge a fee for all those who go through to pay for the operation... if Iran contests control of the strait we'll obliterate them"
Iranian negotiating team walked out of the talks in protest over President Trump’s threats.-al-Manar
of the following...
prong 1: escalation, more war
prong 2: more capitulation
...the former feels more likely. the process has suc bed once again to the instability of Trump
nations responding directly to tweets now
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Wasn't this place open and free a few months ago?
https://x.com/atrupar/status/2068686110163718583
lol Trump teasing a new tax on everybody's oil
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President Trump is actually jealous of Belgium for at least getting a tie against Iran.
$7 gallon of gas sounds terrific if it means pwning Iran!
US diplomat involved in talks said “the Iranians never left" the talks in Switzerland and negotiated until late in the night.
"We’ve talked about the Strait, Lebanon, nuclear issues, and details of implementing the MOU," the diplomat said.-Reuters
as ever, Trump has a hard time accepting the L
this makes two surrenders to Muslim barbarians so far, first to the Taliban in 2020 and now to Iran
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the stink of the loser is on him
it's not a light switch
https://apnews.com/article/qatar-exp...a499c5e247a08fAn explosion tore through Qatar’s key natural gas export terminal Sunday night as workers tried to resume operations there after Iran bombed it during the war, causing a fire that hurt at least 54 people as another 18 were still missing hours later.
The blast at the Ras Laffan industrial area could cause further chaos in global energy markets, particularly as Qatar remains one of the world’s top natural gas producers.
Later:
U.S., Iran agree on roadmap for final deal and plan to end military operations in Lebanon, per CNBC
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