Parker>Manu
Manu is a great player when he's in his A-game, but he's far less consistent than Nash and Dirk, two players who play at a high level almost every single game of the season. Nash and Dirk carry teams (like Duncan), while Manu elevates an already good team into greatness.
I'm not trying to hate on Manu... I'd take him on my team any day of the week. But Nash and Dirk are scary good, almost all the time. And Dirk isn't a ing choker.
Thanks, ducks.Parker>Manu
Duncan is a better International Player than Manu
I agree Nash and dirk have proved to be very good consistently. They deserve all the accolades they have gotten. And I disagree about Dirk, I mean what is choking to you then?
Now that we're talkin' individual..One on One Gino beats the crap outta Dirk and Nash nd TD for that matter..
Yeah i know stupid ass thing to say..Shows how dumb it is to talk about individual accomplishments..
Ow yeah..Heres another one..WC MVP
Xylus, have to disagree with Dirk. He's weak mentally and the game 1 against the Hornets just add to it. Do you think Nash or Manu would have taken that finger to the face?!
Nash and Manu wouldn't have taken the finger to the face, but that's a separate subject from choking.
It's been awhile since you guys played Dirk in the playoffs, so you've forgotten how good he can be. If you advance to the 2nd round, you might have the chance to see it again.
Manu won 3 NBA rings, 1 Olympic gold Medal, Euro League and others....
Nash, Dirk, and the others are still waiting......
KG wasn't the MVP of that team that won the Gold medal. Regardless of Olympics, just look at the NBA and what each player has done.
I'll give you that Dirk is a much better pure shooter in the NBA and he rebounds. Ginobili is a much better passer, much better defender, and much better in the clutch than Dirk. You can even argue that Ginobili makes his teammates better. In almost every single championship the Spurs won the last 3 years, Ginobili had a hand one way or another in the game winning shot that turned the series around.
You can argue that Ginobili has Duncan and Parker, while Dirk has no one. But that's misleading too. It's not as if Dirk has absolutely no one on his team. In fact, the last two seasons he's had a team good enough to take to the NBA Finals and to win 67 games. He's also played alongside a Top 10 PG in the history of the game before that with Nash.
And if you're looking at just stats like "ALL-NBA" etc, just think about how many great shooting guards there are in this league that Ginobili competes with and think about how many truly great PF's there are in the game for Dirk to compete with to get that spot.
If you're looking at just stats, I think Dirk is a better player. But if you look at the intangibles and which player has had the most positive impact directly on his team, I'd have to go with Ginobili. Put it this way, which would you rather have; The 2007 MVP Dirk season or the 2005 Almost Finals MVP Ginobili season?
To me he's in the top 5, he still has the time to be consider the best.
Manu has a better international body of work than any other player, including the Dream. So, he may be consider the greatest int. player to play in the nba.
But when you add the NBA numbers and awards, then you have the arguments.
Yes
Some time ago there was an international player, who joined Hakeem Olajuwon and Kareem Abdul-Jabaar as the only players in NBA history to amass 13,000 points, 9,000 rebounds, 3,000 assists and 1,500 blocked shots.
Sarbonis. Should have mention him. I remember stories about him that he was a "bad man" before his knees gave him trouble.
Yeah, and Manu wasn't MVP of the team that won NBA les. You can't penalize KG because he had better teammates than Tim on the one hand, then give Manu props because he had better teammates than Dirk on the other.
Again, you're flip-flopping on which side of the argument you take. It's not like Tim had absolutely no one on his Olympic team.You can argue that Ginobili has Duncan and Parker, while Dirk has no one. But that's misleading too. It's not as if Dirk has absolutely no one on his team. In fact, the last two seasons he's had a team good enough to take to the NBA Finals and to win 67 games.
The point is that Olympic success is not germane to this discussion.
Nash wasn't anywhere remotely close to a Top 10 PG when he played at Dallas. Plus they had a dumba** for a coach.He's also played alongside a Top 10 PG in the history of the game before that with Nash.
Again, I'm not trying to take away from anything Manu has done. But Manu has never done what Dirk has done either. Yes, I'd rather have Manu than Dirk.(*) But are you going to argue that if you put Dirk Nowitzki alongside Tim Duncan for five years, he wouldn't have a couple of rings, too?If you're looking at just stats, I think Dirk is a better player. But if you look at the intangibles and which player has had the most positive impact directly on his team, I'd have to go with Ginobili. Put it this way, which would you rather have; The 2007 MVP Dirk season or the 2005 Almost Finals MVP Ginobili season?
(*)This sentence is guaranteed to be ignored/forgotten in any/all replies by the CoM.
That this discussion is ongoing with the name Olajuwon having been thrown on the table is baffling to me. Unless Manu somehow takes his game up another 3 levels in the next few years and becomes the sole focal point of a back-to-back champion while winning an MVP and being one of the truly dominant defensive players in the game (Bowen-level), I don't see how it could be possible to consider Ginobili the best international player ever.
I would agree that he's not even the best international player currently playing in the NBA. I'm not sure that I'd say Nowitzki is the best, but there's a quantum difference between Manu and Dirk. In simple terms, to keep with the Mavs/Spurs dynamic, Dirk is a diminished version of Tim Duncan in terms of role while Manu is, in most respects, a significantly better version of Josh Howard.
You win championships because of the play of guys like Manu but you have the opportunity to win championships because of the presence of guys like Tim Duncan.
It's too bad we'll never know what could have done Sabonis if he would have came in his prime in NBA. It was ten years before the NBA really became global.
Can you imagine a big man with his hands and some serious hoops before his knee issues ?
No offense spurs fans, but he schooled D-Rob in international games at that time.
Guy was sick.
And Petrovic also was a stud.
I think Dirk is better than Ginobli
So you're telling me there's a chance!
let's see, he was involved in every single miracle play for the Spurs in the last 4 years.
yeah, he's the best ever!
seriously, everyone talks about Finley's and Duncan's 3s. But it was manu who made the amazing pass to Finley, he did not throw it straight at Finley, he threw the ball to the spot where Finley was going! amazing pass if you check it out again.
and the pass to Timmy was even better, he only had Duncan in the corner of his eye, and had Nash and Shaq right on his tail and managed to pass it straight at Duncan's palms.
then there was the decision of saying it and driving the ball for the game winner. There would not have been any overtime or win without manu.
No. He is top 5 though. Nash, Dirk, Sabonis, Manu, (late) Drazen Petrovic are in my top 5 that I can think of offhand.
not really sure... but he is the most winner all time that i can tell... skills wise... maybe Nash and Dirk could be> Manu... but none is a better champ... NONE will ever be probably
No.
Nash and Hakeem are/were better.
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