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Well, some of those words were kinda hard. It took a while.
Because he was clearly part of the conspiracy . . .
Well, some of those words were kinda hard. It took a while.
^
I guess Chump and RandomGuy are to busy looking for Google answers.
Bush just sat there after being informed of the first plane. On that morning the first bit of news we heard was one plane hitting one building, everybody including myself, thought it was a terrible accident.
After being told of the second plane, everybody knew, including the president that it wasn't an accident, but rather it was an attack.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in521718.shtml
“I thought it was an accident,” says Mr. Bush. “I thought it was a pilot error. I thought that some foolish soul had gotten lost - and made a terrible mistake.”
Mr. Bush was told about the first plane just before sitting down with a class of second graders. He was watching a reading drill when, just after 9 a.m., United Flight 175 exploded into the second tower.
There was the sudden realization that what had seemed like a terrible mistake was a coordinated attack on the nation - live on TV.
Back in the Florida classroom, press secretary Ari Fleischer got the news on his pager. The president’s chief-of-staff, Andy Card, stepped in.
“A second plane hit the second tower; America is under attack,” Card told the president. What was Mr. Bush's reaction?
“I saw him coming to recognition of what I had said,” recalls Card. “I think he understood that he was going to have to take command as commander-in-chief, not just as president.”What was going through Bush’s mind when he heard the news?
“We’re at war and somebody has dared attack us and we’re going to do something about it,” recalls Mr. Bush. “I realized I was in a unique setting to receive a message that somebody attacked us, and I was looking at these little children and all of the sudden we were at war. I can remember noticing the press pool and the press corps beginning to get the calls and seeing the look on their face. And it became evident that we were, you know, that the world had changed.”
Mr. Bush walked into a classroom set up with a secure phone. He called the vice president, pulling the phone cord tight as he spun to see the attack on TV. Then he grabbed a legal pad and quickly wrote his first words to the nation.
"Ladies and gentlemen, this is a difficult moment for America,” he said in the speech. “Today, we’ve had a national tragedy. Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center in an apparent terrorist attack on our country.”
It was 9:30 a.m. As he spoke, Mr. Bush didn’t know that two more hijacked jets were streaking toward Washington. Vice President Cheney was in his office at the White House when a Secret Service agent ran in.
“He said to me, ‘Sir, we have to leave immediately’ and grabbed, put a hand on my belt, another hand on my shoulder and propelled me out the door of my office,” recalls Cheney. “I’m not sure how they do it, but they sort of levitate you down the hallway. You move very fast.”
Pfft. Please don't confuse me actually spending some quality time with my family for me tirelessly trying to search for the answer to a conspiraquestion.^
I guess Chump and RandomGuy are to busy looking for Google answers.
I spent all of 4 minutes on my answer, although I did read the whole article after I posted the excerpt. It was interesting.
If it runs that deep it's pointless to discuss. May as well talk about UFO's.Let the flaming begin.
Either the conspiracy theorists are right about a massive organized evil conspiracy, or they are wrong.
I ask yet again, for the 23rdnd time a simple yes or no question.
ARE THERE ANY EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OF VISIBLE EXPLOSIVE DEVICES IN THE TWIN TOWERS?
We all know the answer, but only one side lacks the honesty to answer the question.
I have answered a simple, honest question, and now would like a simple honest answer.
the very fact that people who believe this are alive is proof that it isn't true. why hasn't the gov't killed you yet, since you discovered their secret plot?
- Mars
Could you possibly make that text bigger, Mr. Math-equation?
I skimmed this thread and am amazed that it is one of the longest ones in this forum.
if theyre an eyewitness wouldnt they have to be visible?
Another Air Traffic Controller Supports 9/11 Truth
Andrew Kornkven, an Air Traffic Controller from Minnesota for over 15 years, will come out of the woodwork tonight, and announce his support for 9/11 Truth on Dr. Kevin Barrett's radio show. Although Kornkven has written before on 9/11, he has never revealed to the public that he is an ATC.
Andy was my roommate in college during the 1980s at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and I was the best man at his wedding in 1999.
Dr. Barrett's radio show is tonight from 8 P.M. to 10 P.M. central time, April 22.
Listen live here, or look for archives:
http://www.wtprn.com/
Kornkven has already written several excellent essays regarding 9/11:
andrewkornkven's blog
http://www.911blogger.com/blog/253
"Mayday! Mayday!"-- What Really Happened in the pit of United 93?
http://www.911blogger.com/node/13376
David Ray Griffin Burrows Further Down the Rabbit Hole of No-Phone-Calls-From-the-Planes
http://www.911blogger.com/node/11860
Are the Hijackers-- the Real Ones-- Still Alive and With Us Today?
http://www.911blogger.com/node/8961
Sex, Lies, and Phone Calls: The Ted and Barbara Story
http://www.911blogger.com/node/5679
Phone Calls From the Planes: Surprising New Evidence
http://www.911blogger.com/node/5583
Poll: Do you think the thirty or so calls made from the planes on 9/11 are real or faked?
http://www.911blogger.com/node/5431
Phone Calls Analysis
http://www.911blogger.com/node/4190
The Elephant in the Room
http://www.911blogger.com/node/3355
My book review for "Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11"-- rejected by Amazon.com!
http://www.911blogger.com/node/2479
Its interesting to note, that on September 11, 2001, Kornkven was not scheduled to work that day.
Did this guy see some visible explosive devices in the world trade center towers?
Maybe that air traffic controller can tell us how fast the buildings fell down
Maybe that air traffic controller did some math...Let’s do a quickie, common sense thought experiment to help understand what the “controlled demolition” theory is trying to say.
The controlled demolition theory rests on the following assumption: “the building was too strong to have collapsed from simple gravity”
Put another way “the building could easily absorb the energy of the falling section and not fully collapse”
Does this pass the common sense muster?
Let’s take an average guy off the street. He can hold a 100 pound bag over his head for a few minutes. Say he is balancing it on his head to make things simple. In terms of physics this means he is providing a force equal to gravity in order to hold this bag motionless.
This is what the lower 80 stories did for the upper 30 stories for 30 years before 9-11.
Now, one story is about 12.32 feet. The thirty floors started falling through the damaged sections, and at least one damaged, weakened floor gave way.
Take that bag away from our average guy and hold it 12.32 feet over his head. Now drop it on his head. What happens?
Ouch is right.
Let’s see how many pounds of force will be applied by that bag to the guy’s head.
KE is measured in joules. KE= ½* mass * velocity *velocity
First let’s convert to metric for ease of calculation.
Mass=45.36 kg http://manuelsweb.com/kg_lbs.htm
H = 12.32 feet = 3.65 meters http://www.saudia-online.com/conversion%20Table.htm
Ending velocity of bag= 8.45 meters/s http://tutor4physics.com/calculators.htm
KE= ½(45.36)(8.45)(8.45) = 1619 joules
Convert 1619 Joules back to food/pounds force a.k.a. weight = 598 http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/ccenrgy.htm
For the controlled demolition theory to be correct the guy’s head must be able to apply almost 598 foot/pounds of force to stop the bag after such a fall.
Is this reasonable? I think we can safely, and without the possibility of jail time for seriously injuring some poor test subject, conclude that it is not.
Maybe “Galileo” would like to put this theory’s primary assumption to the test with a 100 bag of bull ?
The original Galileo was actually instrumental in noting that the rate of falling objects is not dependant on mass http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Smass.htm . Perhaps our modern, more re ed, version of the real scientist can contribute something to science and prove that his head can hold, even for a split second, an eleven hundred pound object.
Dan, or anyone else, please feel free to recheck my calculations here. I might have deliberately made a mistake just to see if you are really following along…
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Maybe that air traffic controller met these guys
Maybe that air traffic controller met Alex Jones...
Maybe he could explain how hot the fires really were...
Maybe that controller speaks english better than "Galileo"
Except that he said "THEY" made the decision. Not "I made the decision" to pull it.
Let's look at everything the man said.
Maybe that air traffic controller met these co-conspirators and got them to confess...
Maybe he thinks the firefighters were paid off...Jason Bermas of Loose Change Disparages the FDNY at Ground Zero
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I have never encountered anyone in any sphere of endeavor as thoroughly misinformed as Jason Bermas, another “9/11 Truth Movement” leader, the most defiantly outspoken of Loose Change’s three creators, and its chief “researcher.” On the subject of 9/11, he seems to be completely incapable of getting anything right. Bermas has apparently spent a lot of time watching Alex Jones videos.
In my compilation Loose Change Creators Speak, Bermas mentions 18 conspiracy theories in a single interview, not because he’s reciting a list of them, but because that’s the way he talks. The following is a bit of an “aside,” but I think it’s important to show just how twisted the thinking of the leaders of the “9/11 Truth Movement” can be. Here is a sample of Bermas’ lunacy (pun intended):
“I contend that we may have been to the Moon, not with rocket technology, but with something else and it's secret. Definitely not the Apollo landings – they're a joke.”
“I really do feel like the evidence is there that these guys [U.S. political and religious leaders] are in the occult.”
On politician John Kerry: “This guy practices the occult. He had to in order to get into Skull & Bones [the not-so-secret Yale University club whose membership rolls were published by the school when Kerry was a member]. What ELSE is he capable of?”
Radio host: “And the 9/11 attack itself, is that the European group, or is that more the Americans, like Bush and Cheney?”
Bermas: “These guys in America are able to become billionaires, but they're not the multi-trillionaires that are in countries, basically with a free license to print money. So their power [the Americans' power] can only go so far.”
Host: “So you see it [The people behind the 9/11 attacks] as more of a European-type thing?”
Bermas: “Absolutely. I mean when you look at how bizarre some of these rituals are, and where these things come from...Helmut Schmidt, for instance, former German Chancellor, talks about all the things he used to do, all these Germanic death cults, and he talks about, you know, Bohemian Grove being a sex event and loving the rituals there, it's su ious to me, man! I mean, I can see that with my own eyes. [I would like to read his eyewitness accounts! –MR] ...You look at things like the Montauk Project, and Boys' Town, and they definitely used, you know, drug addicts, sexual deviants. It's mind control! It's absolute mind control.”
“There was a report out in the past couple of days [on Alex Jones’ website, of course] that the government has been actually recruiting pastors and ministers to go around and say, you know, if something like the bird flu hits, it'll be good to go with, like, FEMA into camps and all these other federally-regulated areas, and they're actually being paid to say this stuff. And taking inoculations, and that is SCARY!”
“Unfortunately, in this country if there is another major event, and if it is incrementalized and larger than the last one, they could declare martial law at any moment, and have forced inocu-lations, and who's to say what they put in your body?”
“Believe it or not, TIVO was working on a brain chip, so that with your TIVO box there it would record what you want, when you want it, and it will base it on your brain patterns.”
Prophetic logo according to Jason Bermas?
If Bermas and other 9/11 “Truth” leaders are so obviously divorced from reality, why am I spending my time doing this? Why not leave them alone to bark at the moon and be laughed at by sensible people?
Answer: because they have been effective at spreading their message. Millions and millions of people have viewed at least part of Loose Change, which is freely available on the internet. I get several emails a week thanking me for my Loose Change Viewer Guide (a major revision – with twice the information and better sourcing – is in the works), because for a time they had bought Loose Change’s propaganda. In August, that guide, which I don’t advertise, had a peak viewer ship of over 30,000 people in one day. That means many, many more people are out there with this stuff rattling around in their heads. Now I understand the meaning of “viral video.”
Even people who aren’t taken in by the more extreme claims of the 9/11 Denier Movement can find themselves thinking that there must be some evidence of US government involvement in the attacks, based on the sheer volume of conspiracist claims. I have yet to see any such evidence, and it’s not for lack of trying.
Back to Jason Bermas at Ground Zero.
As mentioned above, the purpose of the protest at Ground Zero on 9/11/06 was to get the attention of the mainstream media. Two days earlier, on 9/09/06, the Loose Change guys and Alex Jones visited Ground Zero. Their cameramen filmed the visit. You can watch it here. It begins with a preamble by Jason Bermas:
"You can just imagine just the flurry of people who are going to be here in memoriam of all those that died on September 11th. Really, we’re gearing up, we’re giving out 10,000 DVDs, we’ve got 1,100 shirts. We’re really gonna make our presence known. Finally the mainstream media is going to have to stop attacking us and start reporting on us fairly, and that’s really our goal."
Bermas then strolls past, and comments on, the large bronze relief of 9/11 firefighting operations, which is on the side of Firehouse 10, across Liberty Street from the World Trade Center.
Jason Bermas outside Firehouse 10. He forgot.
At 40:33 in the same video, speaking at Ground Zero on the same day, Bermas expresses his opinion of the low character of FDNY firefighters, in answer to a question by Abby Scott:
“The firefighters ARE paid off.”
Remember, this video is promoted by the creators of Loose Change. They’re proud of it
Months later, after I brought attention to his statement, Jason Bermas posted the following bizarre explanation on the Loose Change Blog:
I would just like to apologize for the comment I made to one Abby Scott on September 9th of this past year. I made the MISTAKE of saying that the firefighters were paid off, I did not mean this, and am convinced some sort of Jedi Mind trick was pulled on me.
I was discussing how if you have a government job and want to keep it, aka Controlled Demolition Inc. you keep your mouth shut. It then moved to the firefighters and some how I said "The firefighters are paid off", and then cited how many of them discussed the bombs in the days after. I DO NOT BELIEVE THE FIREFIGHTERS WERE PAID OFF! I hold them as heroes in the highest regard, and I truly believe that they were threatened in the aftermath of the event that not only traumatized a country, but still affect their lives deeply to this very day. Many of these men have families, and would do anything to keep them safe. I also believe many of them do not, and can not think the worst of their country. I know it was very difficult for me.
So, Mr. Bermas believes, not that the firefighters were paid to keep quiet about what they know, but that they are being threatened to keep quiet. He does not present any evidence to back this absurd claim. He also seems to be implying that the respected firm Controlled Demolitions Inc. was somehow involved in this conspiracy.
Did the 9/11/06 Ground Zero protest achieve its goal of garnering massive media attention? Dylan Avery, writer and director of Loose Change:
"And shame on the mainstream media in general for participating in what can only be de-scribed as a media blackout. Those that did mention it marginalized it dramatically.
We are not conspiracy theorists by any stretch.
We are a growing body of concerned Americans who have both investigated the events and experienced them first-hand, and we are absolutely convinced that our government is hid-ing the truth from us, whatever the truth may be."
Dylan Avery, posting on the Loose Change blog, October 3, 2006: “I find it extremely telling that this article from Mexico gives us more coverage [of 9/11] than anything we experienced from American Mainstream Media combined.”
I believe Mr. Avery is complaining about the lack of positive mainstream media coverage, not about the lack of coverage such as that hilariously dished out by Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone on Sept. 26, 2006:
"I challenge a 9/11 Truth leader like Loose Change writer Dylan Avery to come up with a detailed, complete summary of the alleged plot – not the bits and pieces, but the whole story, put together – that would not make any fifth grader anywhere burst out in convulsive laughter."
You can watch a two-part debate between Bermas and Avery of Loose Change, versus myself and Ronald Wieck, on the TV show Hardfire. Part 1 Part 2.
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Next: Alex Jones Vilifies the FDNY and Larry Silverstein at Ground Zero
Maybe that air traffic controller, you know, talked to someone involved in the actual WTC decision making process...
The Air Traffic controller will not be discussing the WTC, sorry. He will be sharing his expert knowledge of commercial aircraft and the FAA.
If we allowed waterboarding, I bet we could get Cheney to admit he was complicit in 9/11.
Maybe if I asked HIM a simple question a couple of dozen times, he could answer it.
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