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  1. #326
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    So what are some realistic options for dumping our dead weight?

    Josh Howard
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    Jerry Stackhouse
    Erick Dampier

    I'd love to see all 4 of these assholes leave town, but are there any realistic ways to make it happen?

    Howard will still have a lot of value, and he's our most tradeable asset. Teams will see a guy who has lots of playoff experience and was the #2 option on an elite team. It appears that most of his current problems production-wise stem from a deficit of heart and effort and a surplus of me-first at ude. Trust me, lots of teams would love to have Josh and probably figure a change of scenery is what he needs most. For whatever reason, he's quit on this franchise. And I'll call it first: He'll go somewhere and be gangbusters, and the Mavs will be criticized for trading him away, when it's clear that he needs to go.

    Kidd has an expiring contract. To the extent that that trade was a mistake, you can easily get rid of him. If not, he comes off the books. Dampier is a big that can defend. I'm not saying he has a lot of value, but he's not totally unmovable. Jet can be a useful player, but he has an absolutely awful contract, not so much the amount per year, but I believe it runs for another 4 after this one. Him and Stack you're going to have to take a bad contract back to get rid of them. You might get a useful player, but it won't be a good financial value. Other teams are not going to give us gold for our trash.

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    If a post player is what we need, we've got 2 options this offseason - Eddy Curry or Elton Brand.

    Curry will be easier to get just because everybody hates him and he's fat & lazy, but he's also a great post player. Brand will obviously be much tougher, and he still has to opt out, but maybe a S&T with the Clippers is possible.

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    Would the Clippers consider a Josh/Bass/Stack for Brand/filler deal? Would Mavs fans?

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    why would the clippers make that trade?

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    Would the Clippers consider a Josh/Bass/Stack for Brand/filler deal? Would Mavs fans?
    At first glance, I would say there is no way they would do that. But since Brand was hurt for the whole season, that actually might be somewhat possible... but we still need to throw in something else to sweeten it up...

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    If a post player is what we need, we've got 2 options this offseason - Eddy Curry or Elton Brand.

    Curry will be easier to get just because everybody hates him and he's fat & lazy, but he's also a great post player. Brand will obviously be much tougher, and he still has to opt out, but maybe a S&T with the Clippers is possible.
    After reading the NY Mag article about Isiah, I want no part of Eddy Curry. I know we badly, badly need post scoring, but I want no part of Eddy Curry. You can criticize me for poo-pooing solutions, but I want no part of Eddy Curry.

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    why would the clippers make that trade?
    Solid SF to replace Maggette after he ops out, and a young PF to replace Brand.

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    Brand would be opting out of a contract that pays him around $15 million a year. I have no idea what kind of scenario would get him in a Mavs uniform, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

    I'm not trying to be cynical or on solutions, I just don't think Brand to Dallas is realistic. Mavs don't have a lot of leeway and options to get better. Keep in mind the Celtics had the #5 pick, Al Jefferson, Wally and a bunch of kids as their trading chips. Mavs have Josh and Bass and Kidd's expiring, that's pretty much it.

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    If there was a way to get Garnett & Allen in Boston for bull , and then put Gasol in LA for bull , there's a way to get Elton Brand in Dallas for something better than bull . I realize Fuehrer Stern played a role in the first 2 deals, but I know we can get Brand if we really want him.

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    Brand did spend the entire year on the DL, he's approaching 30, and I don't think he's ever been as highly regarded as Kevin Garnett. I think it could definitely happen.

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    Brand did spend the entire year on the DL, he's approaching 30, and I don't think he's ever been as highly regarded as Kevin Garnett. I think it could definitely happen.
    Who plays center? Dirk or Brand?

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    Mav's need a really good post player. Their main 7 footer plays out on the wing.

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    If there was a way to get Garnett & Allen in Boston for bull , and then put Gasol in LA for bull , there's a way to get Elton Brand in Dallas for something better than bull . I realize Fuehrer Stern played a role in the first 2 deals, but I know we can get Brand if we really want him.
    yeah, but those deals were absolute collusion. i haven't heard of any bonds like that between sterling and cuban.

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    Who plays center? Dirk or Brand?
    ???

    Brand obviously...

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    Elton Brand would really help the Mav's out. They also need a younger faster ball handler than Kidd.

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    Who plays center? Dirk or Brand?
    I don't care, throw either one of them at that position. We haven't had a decent center since the James Donaldson years, and we won't have one next year, so we might as well go small.

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    geez, could you imagine a core of Dirk, Brand, and Kidd? that would be quite nice. just need some shooters, and we are good, which is why I would want to keep Terry.

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    ???

    Brand obviously...
    Brand is only 6-8 but he has the ability to at least protect the rim. He can't do any worse than Dampier. He might actually prevent Tyson Chandler from getting a half dozen alley-oops a game.

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    ???

    Brand obviously...
    He's 6'8. Hey, I'm not saying it wouldn't make the Mavs better, just might not make them champions.

    Dallas was really lucky to be able to retool on the fly when Nash left and stay an elite team. I don't think that's possible this time. A lot is going to depend on what they can get this summer, because it's obvious to me that Dirk is the only guy who should stay unless you get completely bowled over with an offer for him. Bass is a promising young player, but takes too long to explain here, they might have trouble resigning him next year due to his early Bird rights, etc. They could easily get outbid for Bass since they can only offer him so much under the cap. Bass is a valuable asset. Might be best to move him now than let him walk for nothing.

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    If I were you guys I'd move Kidd and Howard out for Mobley and Kaman.

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    He's 6'8. Hey, I'm not saying it wouldn't make the Mavs better, just might not make them champions.
    An enthused Dirk is, despite his reputation, a solid defender. Get someone who truly defends the rim like Brand down in there with him, and I don't see how our post defense is any worse than it is right now, even as undersized as they would be. It's probably somewhat better.

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    If I were you guys I'd move Kidd and Howard out for Mobley and Kaman.
    Honestly, I would consider it. I'm Kidd's biggest defender on here but Mobley is fearless and Kaman gives us a whole of a lot.

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    Brand is only 6-8 but he has the ability to at least protect the rim. He can't do any worse than Dampier. He might actually prevent Tyson Chandler from getting a half dozen alley-oops a game.
    his long arms, strength, and defensive IQ more than make up for his lack of height.

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    If I were you guys I'd move Kidd and Howard out for Mobley and Kaman.
    I'd do that in a heartbeat. Clippers wouldn't.

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    No you gotta add more to the pot for the Clippers to do that. Howard is good and Kidd has a rep. But...if you throw in another player they might do it.

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