Jordan > Kobe + lebron combined

[Allanon]

HE MAKES 3'S AT BASICALLY THE SAME PERCENTAGE AS JORDAN! so because kobe centers his game more around the 3 then that means he is more skilled? i didn't know 3 point shooting was the only skill in basketball. wow...can you dig a deeper hole for yourself?

You are finally admitting now that 3 point shooting is a skill now eh and not "just jacking up 3s" eh? Nice

FAIL.

[robbie380]

I don't know, you got any stats for that?


Uhm, please read the thread, I already said that Jordan was better because he is a winner. Post season success = Winner. But again, Kobe's career is not done yet so we don't know what the end result will be in the end. This postseason is a great start (33 ppg on 50% sounds familiar) and he probably has 5 good years left.

wow kobe really ripped apart the amazing denver defense. i think they are almost on par with the spurs. if kobe can do that against the spurs then please rub it in everyone's face on ST because that will be an amazing achievement.

and also kobe is getting ready to be 30. he has played 866 games. his numbers will not get better. that is just how things are with aging players. well not unless he goes roger clemens or barry bonds and loads up on the roids. kobe is an amazing player and will continue to be but he is on the statistical downside of his career. however, kobe's career in his 30's is setting up like jordan's. he has an amazing team around him and could potentially make a great dynasty run with a healthy bynum, gasol, and odom.

[robbie380]

You are finally admitting now that 3 point shooting is a skill now eh and not "just jacking up 3s" eh? Nice

FAIL.

i said that earlier in the thread. i never said 3pt shooting wasn't a skill either. you still have proved nothing to show kobe is more talented when he lags jordan in every major statistical category. 34% isn't exactly a sharpshooter from 3pt land either. it is certainly solid but nothing amazing.

good god if the phrase "jacks up 3s" bothers you so much then i will just change it to "shoots more 3s at a marginally better percentage". either way you proved nothing that shows kobe is more "talented" than MJ. all you proved is that he shoots more 3s.

[Allanon]

wow kobe really ripped apart the amazing denver defense. i think they are almost on par with the spurs. if kobe can do that against the spurs then please rub it in everyone's face on ST because that will be an amazing achievement.

and also kobe is getting ready to be 30. he has played 866 games. his numbers will not get better. that is just how things are with aging players. well not unless he goes roger clemens or barry bonds and loads up on the roids. kobe is an amazing player and will continue to be but he is on the statistical downside of his career. however, kobe's career in his 30's is setting up like jordan's. he has an amazing team around him and could potentially make a great dynasty run with a healthy bynum, gasol, and odom.

Most of Jordan's first round opponents were terrible as well.

Kobe's in his prime and will be for another 3 years at least barring any major injury. Kobe's better in this first round than he's ever been so there's still room for improvement even though he's older. 33 poimts per game at 50% when he is 30 years old, that's certainly better then his previous 11 seasons.

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The other way to look at it is Kobe made 1500 points doing a much more difficult shot. A 3 pointer requires more skill than shots within the arc.

Saying that Jordan scored more points on the inside is pointless because closer is usually easier.

Unless you think hitting the 3 is an easier skill than shooting J's within the arc.

FAIL.

It really doesn't require that much more skill, considering Bruce Bowen is an ace at 3 point shooting, but can't shoot mid-range or freethrows for .

And considering everyone know that all Jordan would do was drive and shoot midrange jumpers, and they still couldn't stop him shows how ing awesome he was, again. He had a more predictable offensive set of skills, yet still completely dwarfs Kobe statistically.

Jordan > Kobe

Fail.

[stretch]

Yes and so did Tex Winter who claimed Kobe has grasped the triangle better than any player he's ever seen....including the great Jordan. Look if everyone wants to be stat watchers and box score kreskens than you can look no further than Wilt as most of you haven't even seen him play...but the man put up crazy stats..why isn't he included in this discussion. Oh that's right, because you're all full of .

No, he's not included because he didnt win , despite playing in a league of like 12 teams full of midgets.

If Kobe is so much better than Jordan, then why hasn't he done any of the stuff Jordan has done?

Because Jordan > Kobe.

You fail, homer.

[Allanon]

It really doesn't require that much more skill, considering Bruce Bowen is an ace at 3 point shooting, but can't shoot mid-range or freethrows for .

There is a reason why 40% is a good perecentage for 3 pointers and very poor when it's a 2 pointer. It requires skill to hit a 3. 2Pointers and Free throws are a different skill set.

Fail.

And considering everyone know that all Jordan would do was drive and shoot midrange jumpers, and they still couldn't stop him shows how ing awesome he was, again. He had a more predictable offensive set of skills, yet still completely dwarfs Kobe statistically.

Jordan > Kobe

Fail.

Dwarfs Kobe? Kobe's final stats will probably be > Jordan's barring any injury. They are extremely close statistically already...that's why the edge right now is the # of rings Jordan has.

Like I said, many times, right now, Jordan > Kobe. But that has the possibility to change in the next couple of years. We shall see.

[Str8Ballin]

Kobe. He's a .

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Dwarfs Kobe? Kobe's final stats will probably be > Jordan's barring any injury. They are extremely close statistically already...that's why the edge right now is the # of rings Jordan has.

Umm... do you really want me to break their stats down?

Scoring Averages:

Jordan has only had 3 years in his entire career where he averaged less than 26.9 ppg, and 1 of them was the year he broke his leg and only played like 18 games, and the other two are his years in Washington, where he still averaged over 20 ppg.

Kobe didn't average over 20 ppg until his 4th year.

In the 12 years Kobe has played, he averaged over 30 ppg 3 times. Jordan did it 8 times in his first 12 years, including 7 straight, as well as averaging 37 ppg in only his 3rd year, while it took Kobe 7 years to even hit 30.0 ppg.

Jordan averaged over 50% FG shooting 6 times, and had 49.5% twice.

Kobe's best percentage ever was 46.9%.

Jordan averaged more rebounds, assists, steals, and less turnovers through his career than Kobe as well.

I'd say there isn't nearly as much comparison as you say.

Fail.

[Allanon]

The comparison is actually over their careers, not just seasons. Kobe is close in almost every category with many years left.

I didn't say Kobe had BETTER stats, I said he's close

And the books not closed yet.

Fail.

[Cry Havoc]

Umm... do you really want me to break their stats down?

Scoring Averages:

Jordan has only had 3 years in his entire career where he averaged less than 26.9 ppg, and 1 of them was the year he broke his leg and only played like 18 games, and the other two are his years in Washington, where he still averaged over 20 ppg.

Kobe didn't average over 20 ppg until his 4th year.

In the 12 years Kobe has played, he averaged over 30 ppg 3 times. Jordan did it 8 times in his first 12 years, including 7 straight, as well as averaging 37 ppg in only his 3rd year, while it took Kobe 7 years to even hit 30.0 ppg.

Jordan averaged over 50% FG shooting 6 times, and had 49.5% twice.

Kobe's best percentage ever was 46.9%.

Jordan averaged more rebounds, assists, steals, and less turnovers through his career than Kobe as well.

I'd say there isn't nearly as much comparison as you say.

Fail.

+1

Lakers homers, you suck ass at basketball arguments. Seriously. You have no ground to stand on here. You're basically relying on what Kobe MIGHT do and the fact that he shoots 3 pointers at a barely statistically significant percentage as rationale for why he's equal to or better than Jordan.

Don't you think it's telling that the ONLY people who agree with you are other Lakers fans? Jordan is the best ever. Period. At this point, I would still put Magic ahead of Kobe as well.

But don't worry. This debate will end when LeBron James dwarfs Kobe's numbers in a few years.

The comparison is actually over their careers, not just seasons. Kobe is close in almost every category with many years left.

I didn't say Kobe had BETTER stats, I said he's close

And the books not closed yet.

Fail.

Laker fans use the .8% point differential for stating why Kobe is CLEARLY a better 3 point shooter than Jordan, but the fact that Jordan averages (including the statistically inferior years when Jordan was in Washington), 5.1 PPG, 1 rpg, .7 APG, almost a full steal, more blocks, and LESS turnovers while maintaining a higher scoring percentage, in the day of hand-checking, means that Kobe is "close" to Michael. That is pure hilarity.

[Allanon]

+1

Lakers homers,

I just like to agree with what other haters say, no original post of my own.

This debate will end IF LeBron James dwarfs Kobe's numbers in a few years.

We know.

[Cry Havoc]

We realize that we have no real basis for argument and needing to have the obvious reposted in the most base form understandable to humans, but that doesn't stop us from being complete homers and posting like there are more than 5 people outside of LA that agree with us!

Yup.

[Allanon]

Yup.

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But don't worry. This debate will end when LeBron James dwarfs Kobe's numbers in a few years.

lol, he is already dwarfing him in everything statistically except 3pt% and FT%. especially considering this is only Lebron's 5th year. Kobe's stats over his first 5 years are completely dwarfed by Lebron's stats.

[Cry Havoc]

Exactly how 98% of the basketball world feels about the Kobe vs. Jordan comparison.

[Allanon]

lol, he is already dwarfing him in everything statistically except 3pt% and FT%. especially considering this is only Lebron's 5th year. Kobe's stats over his first 5 years are completely dwarfed by Lebron's stats.

I agree, LeBron has a very good chance of surpassing most stats. The question is will he get his rings to go with them.

If he gets 6 rings, he'll be greater than Jordan and Kobe.

[stretch]

If he gets 6 rings, he'll be greater than Jordan and Kobe.

No . Kobe only has 3 rings, and will finish with only 3 rings... that Shaq helped him get.

[Medvedenko]

Hey stretch....you're 20 years old dude....did you even see the great MJ play or do you look at stats and read articles.

[DazedAndConfused]

Stretch....aka INCH WORM is a Kobe Hater. No need to argue with him, we know his bias.

[Allanon]

No . Kobe only has 3 rings, and will finish with only 3 rings... that Shaq helped him get.

Really? Wow! You see the future? 3 rings eh?

So look into your crystal ball and tell me how many rings will LeBron end up with?

[stretch]

Really? Wow! You see the future? 3 rings eh?

So look into your crystal ball and tell me how many rings will LeBron end up with?

More than Kobe, mother er.

Lebron > Kobe

[Allanon]

More than Kobe.

The Amazing Stretch, you should make a killing in Vegas with such a rose colored crystal ball

FAIL.

[stretch]

Hey stretch....you're 20 years old dude....did you even see the great MJ play or do you look at stats and read articles.

Lame.

Get Kobe's out of your mouth, bag, and give an actual argument as to why Kobe is more talented than Jordan, aside from the .8% better 3pt percentage. We have all aknowledged that Kobe has more shooting range than Jordan did, although Jordan was also capable of hitting 3's when he needed to. Maybe its you who needs to go back and do your research on Jordan.

And yes, I saw the great MJ play.

Fail.

[stretch]

The Amazing Stretch, you should make a killing in Vegas with such a rose colored crystal ball

FAIL.

Lame.