great....it begins again...
spanoulis is a chump. if he would have grown some balls and stayed one more year then he would have had his chance under adelman. instead he decided to quit.
Man, I'm sick of these ing dumbass threads. if these guys are so ing good (better than Jason Kidd, Jose Calderon, Rafer Alston, etc...) they should have no problem getting into the NBA and dominating. but they never do. im willing to bet that this guy being talked about is maybe half as good as JJ Barea.
Sarunas sucks. He is too slow to get his shot off in the NBA. He's slow now with Pana. Spanoulis is a better player than Sara. The only thing Sara has going for him is a good 3 pt shot. Other than that, he's like the Red Rocket Bonner. Heck Bonner is better than Sara because at least Bonner made the team.
Where do this at ude comes from in US? MOST American NBA players that plays year or two in NBA and has to leave and got to Euroleague is either role player there or gets cut from team. And there is very few college players of US becomes good Euroleague players.
Yes there is some former NBA players like Batiste and Langdon which becomes good Euroleague players but they is many time better than when play in NBA. Mike Batiste can barely make a layup or dribble or pass when Panathinaikos signs him. He is now complete offense player because in Europe good coaches develop players not throws them away like NBA coaches do.
There is no college player in US can dominate in Euroleague. NOT ONE. This player do not exist and you are crazy if you believe this. Your best colleges players is rate as Beasly and Rose and such players. You are stupid fool and nothing more if you believe they will even get good minutes in Papaloukas team. They will not even play at all in such team as CSKA which Papaloulas play for.
And he have great game against US and US was beat by Greece. I guess he also play against "scrubs" when beat US. It is these such statement that is ridiculous and then other American fans gets mad and says I am liar. How can you even talk with such people?
This is so ridiculous it is almost unreal to make such post. Why is basketball fans of all place other than US knows ALL ballers of ALL world but US knows ONLY NBA ballers? Is all US like this for all sports and athlete?
JJ Barea for sure is superior to this player
Saras is good ball handler and good shooter off dribble he is terrible defender though. He is better than Bonner you go bit to far in judge him. Compare player like Scola he is very poor but I believe he is definite better than Bonner.
Papaloukas sucks
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Robbie, I don't disagree with you, but I also think that if I was in that situation and it was my career, I would have done some of the same things as V-Span.great....it begins again...
spanoulis is a chump. if he would have grown some balls and stayed one more year then he would have had his chance under adelman. instead he decided to quit.
Think about it, he got out of a bad situation where he hated his coach, gets to go back and play for more money and now if he wants to go to the NBA, he is a complete FREE AGENT and can make the best deal possible for him and his career.
From his standpoint, it was sheer brilliance.
Yes, he whined his way out of Houston, but the way JVG treated him, can you really blame him?
I think players should do whatever is best for themselves.....just like Steve Francis and Vancouver or John Elway and the Colts.....no differnce with V-Span.
DD
Why when I read that disptch do I find myself reading with some European accent?
I would take Papaloukas or Spanoulis for a spin with the Rockets. If we got Alston as our starting pt. guard, we sure could use the help. As it is, no I still think Sara sucks. Bad with the Pacers and bad with Golden State. He was supposed to take over the shooting role left by Miller with Indiana but was too slow to get his shot off. He was ineffective with Golden State. He might have a little ball handling skills but he can't get his shot off fast enough in the NBA.
Maybe I not clear because of language. Yes Saras sucks. I just disagree he is worse than Bonner. No he actual better player than Bonner. But yes he do suck. I cannot believe how some PAO fan think he great player. He is suck player even in Greek league this year if ask me. But you must understand even then he has more skill than Bonner.
Bonner is terrible. Why in world Spurs gives him such contract as Scola gets? Even Rockets have player that is big and can only shoot 3 point shots Novak and he make much much less then Bonner. Also Novak is actual much better shooter then Bonner, not even close in shoots ability.
Spurs must be crazy give Bonner such contract even more crazy then PAO gives Saras such contract he get.
I'm not sure what the video is that you posted, because Youtube is blocked where I work. However, JJ has made it on an NBA team and has made contributions. What has the guy you are raving about done?This is so ridiculous it is almost unreal to make such post. Why is basketball fans of all place other than US knows ALL ballers of ALL world but US knows ONLY NBA ballers? Is all US like this for all sports and athlete?
JJ Barea for sure is superior to this player
And apparently the NBA is considering internationally the place to play, considering the best basketball players from countries like Argentina, Germany, etc... all come to play here.
You wanna know what is unreal? It's unreal to make posts saying that an unproven basketball player who hasn't played a minute in the NBA is better than Jason Kidd, who is one of the best PGs to ever play basketball and has lots of experience under his belt, while still playing at a very high level... oh and has won a Gold medal in the process, since international play is so important to you. Oh, and get ready to see him lead another US team to an Olympic Gold Medal in a few months...
There is a difference between ty american players and teams full of stars with guys like T-Mac, Lebron, Kobe, Wade, etc...
There are ty players in Europe that cannot succeed at a high level of play as well. Those players exist everywhere. Not just the US. Your arguments are absolutely ing ty.
Dude, trust me, Papaloukas is better than JJ Barea! Kill Bill is obviously very biased when it comes to Greek players, because he is Greek himself.
However the Euroleague is very very tough compe ion. No college team would come close to sniffing a win against any of these guys. I have no doubt that Papaloukas, just like many others, would have had a good NBA career if he came over early enough. However not everyone dreams about playing in the NBA. The economics have changed.* Top Euroleague players make more money than the NBA MLE, especially considering the weakening of the dollar compared to the euro. Not everyone wants to take a pay cut for 2-3 years, before he can get a bigger NBA contract. That is why guys like Javtokas, Diamantidis, Papaloukas, Smodis maybe, never come over to the NBA. That is why Dejan Bodiroga who was the best Yougoslavian player of the 90s (yes, including Divac and Peja) never seriously considered coming over to the NBA. They were treated like gods, made very good money, no need to give that up.
*There was an article by Hollinger, who is an econ grad, that explains very well some of the changes in economics that are happening right now. Hollinger actually argued, that if the league keeps pushing the age limit to 20, it would make perfect sense for the top high school players to go to Europe for 2 years. They would make money, AND receive much better coaching than they would in ty NCAA play. It makes perfect sense actually. The only thing is that there would be a cultural barrier of sorts for 18 year olds to go overseas, however Europeans do it when they come to the NBA. No reason Americans can't get adjusted. Plus it's not like living in Rome, Madrid, Athens is actually a bad thing. No way living in college can match that.
This is so ridiculous it is almost unreal to make such post. Why is basketball fans of all place other than US knows ALL ballers of ALL world but US knows ONLY NBA ballers? Is all US like this for all sports and athlete?
JJ Barea for sure is superior to this player
Another gold medal? When was the last time Team USA won the gold medal in Olympics basketball? No medal in 2002, Bronze medal in 2004. Nothing is guaranteed for 2008.
True and I also would have liked to have seen what Sabonis could have done if he had played in the NBA when he was 20 something.
my bad, just checked with my sources and i confused saras with macijauskas or whatever the guy's name is.
He would be remembered behind Hakeem and Shaq as the 3rd best center, of a golden era for centers in the league. He was simply amazing, and with that deep Blazers team of the early to mid 90s they might have won a le against the first three peat Bulls.
You mean Arvydas Macijauskas. The guy the Hornets send to the NBDL the season following the 04 Olympics. I was surprised it got no press at all at the time, because Maci was probably the best player in the early round defeat of the US by Lithuania. He was on fire that game.
I guess I know now why he suddenly dissapeared.
p.s just checked his Wiki profile, and appearently he had some harsh words for the Hornets, coach Scott, and the NBA in general. Sometimes making the adjustment is much more mental than physical. It still amazes me how well Darko plays with Serbia, and then seems to not care one bit in the NBA.
I think Darko will come back next year and actually make some noise. Call me the eternal optimist.
I was hoping for him until this year. I remember watching him play for the Pistons his rookie year, and I swear I could see why he was drafted. Amazing athlete, great coordination, great footwork, and a mean streak into him that a big man needs. But he keeps getting into these bad situations.
Detroit - championship team with no space for rookies
Orlando- post touches had to go to Dwight to develop him
Memphis- that organization, and that coach, were changing plans every day
Maybe he actually starts playing like he plays for Serbia, but I think he really needs to go somewhere where he can have a role, a strong veteran presence who will support him and he will flourish. I would love to have him on Dallas, I will tell you that.
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We all knew we knew NBA ball. It seems like we all know quite a bit of international ball as well.Fans here know basketball!
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