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    Democrats shouldn't get too excited. These seats are being won by running on conservative platforms... pro life, pro gun, etc. You can already see that although Dems technically have control of the house they are incapable of getting anything done because they are too far apart from each other on the issues.
    Though Democrats control both houses their margins do not give them the power to over-ride a Presidential veto or a Republican filibuster - yet.....you see, Democrats like to play by the rules...someday there is going to be a serious investigation of the conduct of the current administration and the do-nothing congress that did nothing while they ran rod shod over the Cons ution and International law....then Republicans will be in a real world of hurt....

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    This isn't spin, this isn't bluster. This is the flat out truth.



    http://electoral-vote.com/




    http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecry..._election.html




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    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...n_mississ.html



    What Cole says there in that last paragraph is absolutely true. Sadly for Republicans Obama is raising a ton of money that will be used all over the board and you can bet your ass the Democrats will be able to destroy the Republicans in spending this year.


    real republicans (ron paul types) are leaning libretarian in a big way.

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    Why does it appear that a majority of the democrats on this board are flat-out miserable ing people?

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    "a flat-out miserable ing people"

    Why is it most most of the Yoni's in nearly ALL their posts have ANYthing of substance when the get their pants pulled down by facts, or just opinions, they can't counter?

    Dems are self-miserable with the obese loser hanging around, but the Dems and the Repugs know the Dems will dominate the WH and Congress come 5 Nov.

    "permanent Repug majority" GMAFB

    dimsah, GFY
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    the repubs are totally ed

    but bush/cheney co haven't been conservative AT ALL

    medicare part D is the biggest en lement program since LBJ
    homeland security is the creation of an entirely new AGENCY

    the monetary policy has been loose as yonivore's mom's ahole

    and all this 'social conservativism' bs (his sup court appointees) is just the bone thrown to his base to keep some sort of popular support

    as far as his foreign policy... no idea what the neocons (i.e., 'former' liberals) were whispering into his ear while he was sleeping
    As if the dimm-o-craps have something to be proud of.
    Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are jokes. Barney Frank, the
    sexual poster child of the dimms. You name a activist
    group and the dimms have them in their party.

    The whole town of Washinton, D.C. is a joke on the America
    People. A sad joke with serious consequences. The
    energy problem and food problem and monetary problems are
    only starting. We have no leadership, none in either party
    and there is none on the horizon. Obama and Hillary are jokes to the Nth degree and McCain, God only knows, what
    his real plans are. He sounds like a Republican one day,
    a Dimm-o-crap the next and a squirrel the next.

    The really sad thing is most Americans, many on this board,
    stand by and support these crazies in D.C.

    Bush catches a lot of heat and he has made mistakes, but
    he did take the security of our country seriously and tried to
    do something about it. And you see what that got him.
    God help us though if Obama gets into office. In my opinion
    there are going to be a lot of unemployed servicemen. And
    with a dimm-o-crap congress they will fall right into line.
    Everyone might want but brush up on Muslim customs. And
    I am not saying Obama is one. I am saying he will do nothing
    to stop them taking over the country. And with the backbone
    most show now days the citizens will fall right into line with
    him.

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    the repubs are totally screwed

    but bush/cheney co haven't been conservative AT ALL

    medicare part D is the biggest en lement program since LBJ
    homeland security is the creation of an entirely new AGENCY

    the monetary policy has been loose as my mom's ahole

    and all this 'social conservativism' bs (his sup court appointees) is just the bone thrown to his base to keep some sort of popular support

    as far as his foreign policy... no idea what the neocons (i.e., 'former' liberals) were whispering into his ear while he was sleeping
    Amazing. The former Pimp is pretty much right on here. I know, a first!

    Bush & Cheney have not been conservative, nor have been the majority of the Republicans in Congress. So to point to their failures, and say that's conservatism, is a straw man.

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    Democrats shouldn't get too excited. These seats are being won by running on conservative platforms... pro life, pro gun, etc. You can already see that although Dems technically have control of the house they are incapable of getting anything done because they are too far apart from each other on the issues.

    It's an odd time though. Republicans keep trying move their message to the left in an attempt to hold onto power and the Democrats are going to get power by moving their message to the right.
    You're almost completely right here, except for the second clause of your last sentence.

    Are the Democrats really moving to the right? Maybe in Congress they are.

    But are Hillary and St. Barry?

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    Why does it appear that a majority of the democrats on this board are flat-out miserable people?
    It does appear that way. The majority of them, anyway.

    Their hate is seething. They are a veritable bomb of anger waiting to explode!

    I say, send them to the Democratic convention this August!

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    Why does it appear that a majority of the democrats on this board are flat-out miserable ing people?
    you only feel that way because you're a member of the 22% club.

    don't worry, you have all summer to scare the rest of the banjo pickers.

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    Everyone might want but brush up on Muslim customs. And
    I am not saying Obama is one. I am saying he will do nothing
    to stop them taking over the country.
    Well, if the Moslems were to take over the U.S. (not likely, given our traditional separation of church and state, Europe is another story), we actually would not have to brush up on our Islamic customs. Under Islam, people of other religions are permitted to practice their Christianity and Judaism, with certain provisions. For instance, they aren't allowed to vote or hold public office, they pay higher taxes, etc.

    So, we could still practice our religion. But, woe to the Christian who convinces a Moslem to convert to Christianity! Death to them both!

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    impeachment? talk again when you get back from the insane asylum.

    - Mars
    Negligent homicide.

    If you or I walk into a crowded restaurant with a loaded gun, wave it around like an idiot, and have it go off and kill someone, we go to jail.

    This President took our military into a situation where they had no plan, and no clue as to what would happen afterwards, has arguably gotten THOUSANDS of our soldiers unnecessarily killed, and you guys jump up and down like school children claiming he is the best thing since sliced bread.

    Let's go through the laundry list of stupidity, because some seem to be giving him a free ride for getting our troops killed.

    Not enough body armor.
    even the army times said as much. The administration didn't even think to start the process for increasing the orders until more than a year after the occupation started.
    Not enough armored vehicles.
    Same thing. The first order of armored vehicles wasn't even made, once again, until more than a year after our soldiers were welding steel plates to their unarmored vehicles.
    Placing ideology over competance
    They got rid of the guy with experience in running health systems in warzones, and took a party loyalist whose claim to fame was changing the way his state contracted for drug purchases. The result was that Iraq changed the way it bought and distributed drugs, when what the system needed was security for doctors, trauma care supplies, and other things commonly needed in warzones, but not in the state of Wisconsin. Tell the Iraqi with the bullet wound that he can get a cancer drug 10% cheaper, but the one doctor for 150 people is kinda busy...

    Privatizing all Iraqi industry with 3 people and no staff. Forget the fact that shutting all the state run factories caused massive unemployment, leaving a lot of guys with nothing to do and lots of weapons to do it with, 3 people can completely revamp factories employing hundreds of thousands of people.

    The laundry list goes on and on and on.

    All of the instability and killing was EASILY preventable, IF the administration had had ANY ING CLUE as to what would happen afterwards and a plan to do it.

    This administration FAILED our troops in a BIG way, and that is why they deserve to be in jail.

    Any of you that think otherwise are putting your own ideology over the good of the nation, and the lives of our troops.
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    Since Iraq became a ing soup sandwich from the get go, the only other possible explanation to gross incompetance, was that they actually KNEW what they were getting into, and lied through their teeth to everybody about what would happen afterwards.

    Iraq is a soup sandwich, so either the administration was lying, or incompetant.

    "we will be greeted as liberators"
    "the war will pay for itself"
    "it will cost 50 billion, tops"

    If you aren't pissed off, you haven't been paying attention.

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    Why does it appear that a majority of the democrats on this board are flat-out miserable ing people?
    I would say less miserable than angry, which kind of reinforces the point of the OP doesn't it?

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    So, RandomDude, have you considered taking your message of "Impeach Bush" to the Convention? I'm sure you'll find a ready audience.

    Is anyone?

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    Bush catches a lot of heat and he has made mistakes, but
    he did take the security of our country seriously and tried to
    do something about it.
    Yes, he certainly did a great job closing the barn door after the cows escaped.

    He did give up golf though -- that shows he's serious.

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    Yes, he certainly did a great job closing the barn door after the cows escaped.

    He did give up golf though -- that shows he's serious.
    OMG, he gave up golf? Wow! That just made all of our yellow ribbon magnets worthless in comparison.

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    The whole town of Washinton, D.C. is a joke on the America
    People. A sad joke with serious consequences. The
    energy problem and food problem and monetary problems are
    only starting. We have no leadership, none in either party
    and there is none on the horizon. Obama and Hillary are jokes to the Nth degree and McCain, God only knows, what
    his real plans are. He sounds like a Republican one day,
    a Dimm-o-crap the next and a squirrel the next.
    To paraphrase Homer Simpson, I think we both could say,

    I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my Republicans conservative!

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    To paraphrase Homer Simpson, I think we both could say,

    I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my Republicans conservative!
    In a word: YES!

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    So, RandomDude, have you considered taking your message of "Impeach Bush" to the Convention? I'm sure you'll find a ready audience.

    Is anyone?
    No.

    As much as I would like to see this administration put on trial for gross negligence, I am realistic as to the chances of success for even getting such a trial set up, much less acheiving a conviction.

    Doesn't make me any less mad about Bush's incompetance killing our troops though.

    I don't mind the use of military force when needed, and there are plenty of times when I think that such force is justified.

    , I would have even been supportive of the invasion of Iraq, if the administration indicated that it had any clue about what they were getting into. As it was, it was really obvious to me before hand they either didn't know, or weren't honest about it.

    BUT

    I just don't want to ask our troops to die for a mistake.

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    Yes, he certainly did a great job closing the barn door after the cows escaped.

    He did give up golf though -- that shows he's serious.

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    There is a about a bazillion of these things floating around.

    I had forgotten how much fun they were...

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    And then you have the real King of vacations, on your dollar.


    October 16, 1998
    Clinton Set to Double Presidential Travel Record
    He's Already Set Records for Trips, Days, and Pace of Overseas Travel

    Many people have wondered: What will be President Clinton's legacy? How will history remember him? Considering his foreign travel record, Clinton is likely to be better remembered by geography than by history. He already holds every presidential record for international travel -- despite being not yet midway through his second term. Likely, by year's end he (in six years) will have fully doubled the presidential foreign travel record.

    When Bill Clinton was running for office in 1992, he attacked President Bush for being the "foreign policy president," but since then, President Clinton has become the "foreign travel president" [see attached graph, Clinton's International Travel]. Even using a conservative count:

    Clinton holds the record for:

    * Foreign trips by a U.S. president: 32

    * Days abroad: 154

    * Rate of foreign travel: 27 days per year

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    And then you have the real King of vacations, on your dollar.


    October 16, 1998
    Clinton Set to Double Presidential Travel Record
    He's Already Set Records for Trips, Days, and Pace of Overseas Travel

    Many people have wondered: What will be President Clinton's legacy? How will history remember him? Considering his foreign travel record, Clinton is likely to be better remembered by geography than by history. He already holds every presidential record for international travel -- despite being not yet midway through his second term. Likely, by year's end he (in six years) will have fully doubled the presidential foreign travel record.

    When Bill Clinton was running for office in 1992, he attacked President Bush for being the "foreign policy president," but since then, President Clinton has become the "foreign travel president" [see attached graph, Clinton's International Travel]. Even using a conservative count:

    Clinton holds the record for:

    * Foreign trips by a U.S. president: 32

    * Days abroad: 154

    * Rate of foreign travel: 27 days per year

    Tuesday, March 4, 2008
    Bush Surpasses Reagan as the "Vacation President"
    I wrote about this in August of last year, when Bush was still trailing Reagan 436 - 418 in terms of vacation days. But according to CBS Radio correspondent Mark Knoller, Bush has now broken the record.

    Knoller says that last weekend's trip by Bush to (where else?) Crawford, TX with the Danish minister in tow was the 70th trip of his presidency. In total, Bush has spent 452 days on vacation during his presidency. That's close to 1 1/3 years.

    And he's still got a long time before the next president is inaugurated. Perhaps he can put the record out of reach of any future presidents.

    I have to admit, however, that I feel torn about this issue. With 452 more days (and counting) of more work, he quite possibly could have screwed the country up more than he did. I realize, however, how difficult that is to imagine.

    P.S. Please forgive me; I may have given you the impression that when Bush was in Washington, D.C. he actually worked.
    linky

    At least Clinton was accomplishing something besides clearing brush or fishing.

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