Gun Control hmmmmm Gun Control. I wonder.

[braeden0613]

I meant that they've only seen a total of 14 violent murders to date this year (teen murders). If they had gun accessibility like we do that number would be far greater. Eliminate the guns and you have far less fatalities. I understand that being able to carry a gun may some day protect you, I'm not disputing that but eliminating guns elimates many senseless murders and last time I checked they have guns for hunting purposes there so we can't argue that.

I found the figure of 14 to be extremely low compared to our teen crime per capita in the states and they were beginning to worry at that figure.

I also said that I may be wrong but according you gun lovers having a weapon to protect yourself eliminates crimes blah blah blah.

England's crime rate skyrocketed after they took away the right to own a gun for protection. England, especially London is a terrible example arguing for gun control (although i'm confused if you are actually doing that)

[balli]

Here's my take on guns-

I'd melt every last one of them into one big ball of metal if I could. As it is though, America is full of right wing, gun-nut, armor piercing, fully automatic, crazies. Given the unchangeable and violent nature of that climate I say if you can't beat em, join em. If there's going to be guns anyway I'd rather it not be me that get's got. That's why I rarely go anywhere without my Kimber on my chest. But again, if I could, I'd destroy every single gun on planet earth. There's somehting wrong in this country when I am able to legally carry several concealed weapons of death with me into university classrooms, but a little marijuana carried on the same campus would get me thrown into a jail cell.

[Don Quixote]

Come and try to get my guns.

[braeden0613]

Come and try to get my guns.

I know this is way off topic...but you seem to be very pro-gun, yet are voting for Obama? This is the same guy that said in 1996, he wants to "ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns".

[Don Quixote]

You misunderstand, my friend. I have decided to post Obama posters, drawn by his followers, as a way of sincerely apologizing for the ripping I have given him here at ST. If I didn't, I was sure Obama cultists were going to find me and kill me.

I have more Obama art (porn) here ... http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...t=hail+messiah

and here (scroll to the bottom)
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...t=hail+messiah

I hope Obama supporters know appreciate me promoting their guy.

[balli]

I hope Obama supporters know appreciate me promoting their guy.

It's cool, but in truth, he doesn't need you. God stands on his own.

[Don Quixote]

Cmon! It's about change! Obamessiah needs us! He needs me, and he needs you.

Join us.

[braeden0613]

You misunderstand, my friend. I have decided to post Obama posters, drawn by his followers, as a way of sincerely apologizing for the ripping I have given him here at ST. If I didn't, I was sure Obama cultists were going to find me and kill me.

I have more Obama art (porn) here ... http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...t=hail+messiah

and here (scroll to the bottom)
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...t=hail+messiah

I hope Obama supporters know appreciate me promoting their guy.

Ahh ok...i feel better now

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I meant that they've only seen a total of 14 violent murders to date this year (teen murders). If they had gun accessibility like we do that number would be far greater. Eliminate the guns and you have far less fatalities. I understand that being able to carry a gun may some day protect you, I'm not disputing that but eliminating guns elimates many senseless murders and last time I checked they have guns for hunting purposes there so we can't argue that.

I found the figure of 14 to be extremely low compared to our teen crime per capita in the states and they were beginning to worry at that figure.

I also said that I may be wrong but according you gun lovers having a weapon to protect yourself eliminates crimes blah blah blah.

A gun ban has worked wonders in Washington, D.C.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Obviously its not an absolute but taking the guns away does keep guns out of criminal hands. There aren't many gun crimes in Europe but its has to equate to a good half if not more of the crimes here in the states.

Guns can be involved in crimes without someone getting shot. Namely, robberies, rapes, etc.

The Cons ution guarantees one's right to bear arms.

And further, if someone breaks into your home, unless you have a gun you are ed. The police sure as aren't going to get there in time. Whatever's going to happen if someone breaks into your home while you're there is going to go down in a minute tops.

Yeah, that may give you the time to call the cops, but all they're going to be doing when they arrive is calling the coroner for your dead ass.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

There's somehting wrong in this country when I am able to legally carry several concealed weapons of death with me into university classrooms, but a little marijuana carried on the same campus would get me thrown into a jail cell.

Technically, you can't legally concealed carry on university campuses right now....

[balli]

I carried mine to class all the time last year. Welcome to the wild wild west otherwise known as Utah baby.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18355953/

As states and colleges across the country review their gun policies in light of the tragedy, many in Utah are proud to have the nation's only state law that expressly allows the carrying of concealed weapons at public colleges.

[braeden0613]

I carried mine to class all the time last year. Welcome to the wild wild west otherwise known as Utah baby.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18355953/

and let me guess, there has been no incidents since the ban was lifted?

[balli]

and let me guess, there has been no incidents since the ban was lifted?

And none before. It's a terrible law. I'm a completely radical psycho who really should last person on earth sanctioned to carry a gun anywhere, much less a university, but hey, if that's their decision.

[Don Quixote]

Guns can be involved in crimes without someone getting shot. Namely, robberies, rapes, etc.

The Cons ution guarantees one's right to bear arms.

And further, if someone breaks into your home, unless you have a gun you are ed. The police sure as aren't going to get there in time. Whatever's going to happen if someone breaks into your home while you're there is going to go down in a minute tops.

Yeah, that may give you the time to call the cops, but all they're going to be doing when they arrive is calling the coroner for your dead ass.

Dang straight. It's about self-defense, nothing more.

How can you call yourself a man and not even try to acquire the means to defend yourself or your family? How can a man look himself in the mirror in the morning knowing he has to rely upon the New Orleans PD (or whatever PD) to defend him if someone broke in?

I'll hand over my guns, alright, when I hand over my weenie and testicles.

[balli]

How can you call yourself a man and not even try to acquire the means to defend yourself or your family? How can a man look himself in the mirror in the morning knowing he has to rely upon the New Orleans PD (or whatever PD) to defend him if someone broke in?

The Big Lebowski: What makes a man, Mr. Lebowski?
The Dude: Dude.
The Big Lebowski: Huh?
The Dude: Uhh... I don't know sir.
The Big Lebowski: Is it being prepared to do the right thing, whatever the cost? Isn't that what makes a man?
The Dude: Hmmm... Sure, that and a pair of testicles

[Don Quixote]

Exactly!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

at the NRA members in here.

Over 11,000 gun-related deaths in the US in 2005, per capita the rate is about 15/100,000 which is 3 times the next country, Switzerland, at about 5/100,000. In Oz it's 1.5, and most of the developed world is under 2.

Legally available guns lead to more deaths, not just murders but domestic homicides and accidents. I'm very glad we have strict gun control in this country. However, I also understand that in the US it would be almost impossible to get back all the guns which presents a conundrum.

Oh, and the self-defense argument is a joke. How many people have you heard about who successfully defended themselves against crime using their gun? It doesn't happen.

[Don Quixote]

Maybe so, but if Helen Hill (indy filmmaker murdered in New Orleans, 2007) hadn't (a) let a stranger into her home, and (b) had some sort of weapon nearby, her husband wouldn't be a widower today. At least the s bag would have thought twice if he'd known the Hills were packing heat.

I remember watching America's Most Wanted last summer, before they caught the guy, and her husband was crying -- more like sniveling -- on the show. I sympathize with him, really I do. They were obviously a couple that practiced non-violence and, I guess, expected others to live that way too. (That would be a nice thing, in my opinion.) So here he is crying on AMW, wondering why anyone would kill his wife for no reason?

I wanted to shake him and say, Michael! It was because you're a wuss! YOU lived in the Foubourg (a tough neighborhood in N.O.), YOU didn't put a fence around your yard, and YOUR wife let in a stranger. And YOU didn't have any means to defend her, you, or your son. I'm glad I calmed down, but seriously, does he expect people to just leave them alone? It's New Orleans, murder capital of the south!

I'm glad that they raise their son to be into peace and all, but it's naive to expect everyone to live that way. The fact is, there are messed-up people out there, and they have the potential to do you great harm. If you want to not have a gun, fine. But I'll exercise my 2d amendment rights, thankyou.

[Duff McCartney]

It takes more than combat gear to make a man
Takes more than a license for a gun
Confront your enemies, avoid them when you can
A gentleman will walk but never run

[marini martini]

While My Guitar Gently Weeps

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

at the NRA members in here.

Over 11,000 gun-related deaths in the US in 2005, per capita the rate is about 15/100,000 which is 3 times the next country, Switzerland, at about 5/100,000. In Oz it's 1.5, and most of the developed world is under 2.

Legally available guns lead to more deaths, not just murders but domestic homicides and accidents. I'm very glad we have strict gun control in this country. However, I also understand that in the US it would be almost impossible to get back all the guns which presents a conundrum.

Oh, and the self-defense argument is a joke. How many people have you heard about who successfully defended themselves against crime using their gun? It doesn't happen.

I don't feel like digging them up, but there's been multiple cases of people defending themselves against crimes using their guns here in Texas and in other states where concealed carry licenses apply.

Also, here in Texas you can apply for and receive a concealed carry permit (CHL). Since the program was put in place, the incident rate of those with these permits being involved in any crimes is statistically lower than the state average (and this includes domestic homicides, accidents, etc.) of the general population (they extrapolated it out based on per 100,000 citizens numbers).

There were some very vocal folks in this state who were against concealed carry being legalized, some went so far as to say that blood would be running in the streets if it became law, and these folks have since admitted that it has been a deterrent against crime, based on stats.

You can also look at a country like Switzerland, where every male of military age is required, as part of the national militia, to maintain an assault rifle and a pistol at their home.

They have basically no gun crime (the number of stabbings exceed the number of shootings), and their instances of private property burglaries are way lower than here in America (I guess something about the fact of a gun being in every home doesn't sit well with said evildoers).

American citizens are cons utionally guaranteed the right to arms. If it ever changed, you'd just end up with a lot of bad guys with illegal weapons knowing they could now prey on defenseless citizens.

No thanks.

[balli]

ruffnready hates america

we know this

but what we don't know, is if ruffnready is aware that swimming pools are more dangerous than guns

The World Water Crisis?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sta...is/default.stm

[balli]

I don't feel like digging them up, but there's been multiple cases of people defending themselves against crimes using their guns here in Texas and in other states where concealed carry licenses apply.

Also, here in Texas you can apply for and receive a concealed carry permit (CHL). Since the program was put in place, the incident rate of those with these permits being involved in any crimes is statistically lower than the state average (and this includes domestic homicides, accidents, etc.) of the general population (they extrapolated it out based on per 100,000 citizens numbers).

There were some very vocal folks in this state who were against concealed carry being legalized, some went so far as to say that blood would be running in the streets if it became law, and these folks have since admitted that it has been a deterrent against crime, based on stats.

You can also look at a country like Switzerland, where every male of military age is required, as part of the national militia, to maintain an assault rifle and a pistol at their home.

They have basically no gun crime (the number of stabbings exceed the number of shootings), and their instances of private property burglaries are way lower than here in America (I guess something about the fact of a gun being in every home doesn't sit well with said evildoers).

American citizens are cons utionally guaranteed the right to arms. If it ever changed, you'd just end up with a lot of bad guys with illegal weapons knowing they could now prey on defenseless citizens.

No thanks.

The problem with that argument is this. Ideally if there were no legal weapons, there would be many less illegal weapons and furthermore, gun prices on the black market would skyrocket. However, considering how many weapons have already been issued legally, as Oz pointed out, it is easy to see the problem involved with suddenly banning new sales.

Quite frankly it's an issued that neeeded to be solved in the past, because at present the United States is absolutely full up of guns and banning new ones would all of a sudden create a closed society of gun owners who would then have free reign for malpurpose if that were their intent. Quite frankly it speaks to ill nature of the American people that we have allowed weapons of death to become such a problem that they are now in some cases felt necesarry to defend oneself against other guns.

[BigZak]

i think everyone should have the right to have a gun in their own home and in their own home only...