Please tell me why MJ would average less PPG today? In the last 3 seasons Wade put up 27, 27 and 25 a game on 50%, 49% and 47%. No one can keep him out of the lane. They also cant keep Monta Ellis, D-Will or C.Paul out of the lane. Considering that MJ is better than all of them at penetrating, finishing and getting calls....why would he do worse? I just find it laughable that folks say MJ wouldn't score as much (netween 29 and 32 a game when they were winning les) when a worse player is getting what, 4 less PPG??
What does this thread have to do with Kobe? When did I once mention his name in the original post?
This is about MJ, and the differences in the mainstream media today that would have crucified any NBA player for making half the statements that he made during his career.
this thread is lame.
Yea I really don't see where the 2 guys claiming defense wasn't superior/tougher/more hardnosed back then are coming from. Anyone with eyes can see a drastic change in the NBA from now and then.
"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team.""I'm sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I'm shooting."Kobe may be closer to MJ than many realized...
Defenses are absolutely better today than they were at any time in the 1980s and for most of the 1990s. Not more physical; not tougher; not better than from '96 to 2004; but better.
Which is to mean you really want to say that Kobe > MJ because of all of those quotes. GFY, dude.
GFY? Please, get out of here with that weak and go suck on Tom Brady's some more. 18-1!
nice thread.
SOURCE, HAlf of those quotes i am sure you made em up, you got too much time on ur hands man.
and quite honestly, most of the quotes were done in jest, mike trying to be funny, him ripping on his team mates is because of his compe ive fire, no one holds a grudge, it's much different from kobe whinning, whinning is not about being funny, it's about being a ala kobe.
GFY? Please, get out of here with that weak and go suck on Tom Brady's some more. 18-1!
Sounds like an outright hatchet job imo. Wouldn't be surprised if most of those are lies. I remember reading a couple of those comments (the "get me the ******* ball" and the "don't pass it to Cartwright," but they're each incorrect in their own way: the first was directed towards Cartwright iirc, and the second was specifically talking about passing it to Bill late in the game, not the whole game). Wouldn't surprise me if much of it were false.
If defenses today are not more physical and not tougher as you admit, then what exactly makes them better? The constant parade to the FT line for perimeter oriented players in this league is reason enough to believe that your statement is beyond false.
you know.. i was reading through the posts and thought spursaddict was a total . why is he bashing kobe so much? the dude is a star and may reach MJ status one day.
and then i thought about prime kobe and prime MJ playing in the same league and at the same time and couldnt see how kobe would out play MJ. MJ would school kobe, night in and night out.
No, I would definitely rather have Rodman when building a team. Gasol is a talented player, soft as . There are all kinds of Laker fans that can't stand how soft he is. Rodman is a VERY rare breed of player. But you can find plenty of Gasol type players. And fact is, Rodman is probably the best ever at doing what he does (dirty work, defense, rebounding). But there are plenty of players all time that can do what Gasol does and are far superior at it.
Parker, these Laker fans are delusional don't even bother. I get a giant crack outta them attempting to say Ko is better or right near MJ. The game had way more clutching and grabbing then. It was far more physical opposed to now. MJ would eat alot more today as opposed to before. Bruce Bowen would be the man back then in regards to defense. Did you notice how he left out from 1984-1995? lol F*** outta here you lames.
If defenses today are not more physical and not tougher as you admit, then what exactly makes them better? The constant parade to the FT line for perimeter oriented players in this league is reason enough to believe that your statement is beyond false.
Modern defenses are definitley superior to defense in previous years. Mainly because of the increased amounts of effort and defensive systems. Imagine if players today could get away with the hacking and bull that you could get away with in the 80s? It would be almost impossible to score 100. , 90 would be a pain in the ass.
actually these are from the book "The Jordan Rules"
damn good book too. i recommend it strongly to anyone here.
because of systems, increased effort and emphasis by coaches, superior level of athleticism throughout the league.
If defenses today are not more physical and not tougher as you admit, then what exactly makes them better? The constant parade to the FT line for perimeter oriented players in this league is reason enough to believe that your statement is beyond false.
when he says they are not more physical or tough, its because they are not allowed to be due to rule changes. and 80's defense was largely based off of steals and turnovers. Those are nice, but no defense from back then even compares to defenses like the Spurs, Pistons, Rockets, etc... teams that do such a good shot of not giving space for open shots that they turn into bad forced shots that often miss badly, and in turn gets opponents out of their rhythm.
Oh really now? how many players are going to average a shade under 20 ppg and 10 rpg per game EVERY YEAR? NOT MANY. The ones who do are coveted my friend. His worst year was 18 ppg (17.6) and 7 Rpg (7.4) just under 3 assists per game and roughly 2 blks per game (1.7).
Rodman-worst year- with at least 30 mins per game
11 Rpg 2 Ppg-.5 stl.pg roughly, .5 blk.pg roughly.
can't be argued for being on the decline b/c the next year his stats were better. I won't leave out all the Defensive accolades either, 1st team etc.
Rodman has rings? Yes. Lets not forget about who he played with. The stacked Bad Boys squad who gave the Bulls the business and the Lakers. He had Isiah, Joe D, Vin the Microwave, Bill Lamb, it goes on and on. Other ring team? MJ and Scottie. Non- ring teams? David Robinson-
Gasol can be built around. Where Rodman is someone who caps off your team, the extra cherry on top. History shows it.
There are players comparable to Rodman. Ben Wallace, Charles Oakley to name a few. Sure Gasol is the Cherry right now but he can be built around and was. Just so happens his team never had a second man. Sorry, Mike Miller is a third man.
Lets see who Gasol had to play with. Mike Miller, Stromile Swift, Brian Cardinal, Jason Williams, a young Drew Gooden and Shane battier. Damn, they are certainly comparable to MJ and Scottie, or, Isiah and JD, or even David Robinson. He had to face Timmy in the playoffs multiple times and of course Timmy kills b/c Timmy is the man. The Griz also had nobody aside from MM who actually did work in the Playoffs. Put Rodman as your centerpiece and see how far you get. A player like Rodman will never be built around.
I'm Glad 7fts with massive wingspans, excellent touch, great passer who can get you roughly 20 and ten per game are just everywhere. Oh, he can also face up and drive as a 7ft is this true? Oh, he can also handle the rock a bit as a 7ft? He's def soft, there is no debating that and i'm not saying he's great. But lets not act like Rodman was the only player who could filled his type of role.
How many GMs out there are going to build a team around D-Rodor a guy like him? Go ask Chi town if they paid too much for Ben wallace, they' ll tell you.
(For the record I love Rodman, I just enjoy playing Devils Advocate. Fun debate this could be. My points do have value.)
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It's only hypocrisy if people say that about Kobe and then say "Well MJ wasn't like that". If someone said that, then it would be hypocritical. To just say that about Kobe and leave it there is not. Judging by those comments compared to the ones we have attributed to Kobe, I would say MJ was worse, then again, there may be ones about Kobe that we haven't heard. Kobe did about wanting to be traded and not liking the makeup of his team. The question is was he just being a little and will do the same the next time the team hits adversity or was he upset and now that the Lakers FO has done something, will he be cool. So far, so good for Laker nation.
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