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    Marilyn Rae Lover jochhejaam's Avatar
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    What would be the response if I asked,

    "Why is it that Roman Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Eastern Catholics, Coptics, Armenians, Assyrians, Nestorians, and all the other churches, Nicene or otherwise, that have been around for over a millenium, have worship practices that look really similar to one another, even among those that have had little to no contact for a thousand years, while we American evangelicals, who worship in ways radically different from all of them, insist we have maintained the ways of the early church?"
    When I hear talk of the "early Church" it evokes thoughts of the Day of Pentecost in the Upper Room, faith in action, and personalizing the Great Commission.


    What would your response be if the question you posed was directed to you?
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    Marilyn Rae Lover jochhejaam's Avatar
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    How about "Do this in remembrance of me".

    Is that an endorsement?
    The wine, grape juice, or whatever element is used, is representative of the Blood of Christ, and provides us a time for self examination, reflection, and thankfulness for the sacrifice Christ became for the remittance of mankinds' sins.

    The drink is symbolic of his Blood, and it doesn't matter if it's wine, grape juice or whatever.

    In conclusion, no, it's not an endorsement for wine drinking, no more so than filling your car with fuel is an endorsement of sniffing gas fumes.


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    The wine, grape juice, or whatever element is used, is representative of the Blood of Christ, and provides us a time for self examination, reflection, and thankfulness for the sacrifice Christ became for the remittance of mankinds' sins.

    The drink is symbolic of his Blood, and it doesn't matter if it's wine, grape juice or whatever.

    In conclusion, no, it's not an endorsement for wine drinking, no more so than filling your car with fuel is an endorsement of sniffing gas fumes.


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    You're right, it's not an endorsement on wine, nevertheless the bible as a whole does not condemn the consumption of wine, but rather the excess of and the folly of consuming too much. Just like food.

    Now if evangelicals would consume less food and more wine, there wouldn't be so many lard butts trying to tell me that i have a ministry in my life blah blah blah.

    Gluttony is a sin, but the bible doesn't condemn nourishment.

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    You're right, it's not an endorsement on wine, nevertheless the bible as a whole does not condemn the consumption of wine, but rather the excess of and the folly of consuming too much. Just like food.

    Now if evangelicals would consume less food and more wine, there wouldn't be so many lard butts trying to tell me that i have a ministry in my life blah blah blah.

    Gluttony is a sin, but the bible doesn't condemn nourishment.
    Great quote! The gospel is much bigger than worrying about what we eat and drink. To teach that salvation hinges upon doing x, y, and z (works) is error and diminishes our need for grace. And we certainly need His grace.

    This is not to say, of course, that we ought to, then, sin. Such an at ude betrays a heart not set apart for God. But to 100% equivocate the occasional, moderate consumption of alcohol (or other grey areas) as sin, is equally wrong.

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    Pabst = REALLY bad beer.
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    Bud Light is the worst beer on the planet. I'd rather drink those fruity beers that they sell at the Fox & Hound. Seriously.
    Does liking lambics make me less of a man?

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    chimay blue grand reserve.


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