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Personal attacks just further strengthen my points. When you attack me instead of my opinions, it just proves you have nothing to counter them.
So bring it on, I really don't care whatever you have to say about me.
Asinine is your presumption of knowing how much basketball I watch, or how I form my opinions.
Would that be the same mono that wrote this:
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Saying that Dirk is on the same level as Gasol and Odom is beyond stupid. He's well ahead of both of those guys. Gasol isn't even good enough to be a #2 on a championship team, and Odom chokes in a #3 role. Everyone in LA can't wait for Bynum to get back, pushing Gasol & Odom to 3rd and 4th best on the team. That way the team can still win in spite of the fact that they suck.
Make Dirk the 2nd or 3rd best player on a team and you've got a ing dynasty.
But at the same time, questioning his ability to lead a team is entirely valid.
Are you serious? The Mavs were doubtful to make the playoffs even BEFORE he got injured against us. I recall posting in this forum how pissed I was that he got injured since if they didn't make the playoffs they would blame it on the injury, when they were clearly sucking before then. And after he came back from the injury, your team went 6-4, including loses to Seattle and Portland.
Well, that is my point. If he's a 2 on a 4 body, then where do you play him at? He doesn't have the tools to play at 4. Now, defensively you couldn't play him at 2, but offensively you see big guys coming out and shooting from outside (Sheed and Bargnani come to mind, even more in international ball). I already said the solution is for him to learn a semblance of a post up game. But he doesn't seem interested.
I agree for the most part. I just think that Gasol provides something (a post presence) that Dirk couldn't provide. This is where Gasol is valuable for LA.
hes a post presence until the playoffs. so his "presence" is completely useless.
Smiling pickle in a tophat.
Mother er still won't compile his bull list of questions. It's cute, though, that Elnono thinks he's taking the higher ground with the way he writes and assumes we're something less than he is.
What post presence are you talking about? He supposedly offers that but I saw nothing in the Finals. Boston's one strong post presence, Perkins, got hurt, they had to rely on 55 year old PJ Brown, and Gasol still couldn't take advantage of it. He got owned by a guy who will be buying discounted movie tickets in a few months.
But mono, you didn't answer his questions!
Can you admit he can't guard anybody?
Can you admit he can't post up anybody?
Can you admit he can't lead anybody?
Can you admit that, outside his jumper, he got nothing special going for him?
If you can't, I'd like to hear why...
I don't assume anything, you do. You keep thinking you know me. You don't.
America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.
Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat.
Hollinger is a numbers nerd, but I hold the majority of his opinions in pretty high regard. Here's his scouting report on Dirk -
So Hollinger says he can play defense, post up, and has more going for him than just a jumper. And history says that Dirk led his team to a victory over the Spurs in the 2006 WCSF which is probably the source of your hostility towards him.Nonetheless, offense remains Nowitzki's calling card, and particularly shooting. Nowitzki is the best midrange shooter in basketball, hands down. Last year he was one of only seven players in the league to shoot over 50 percent on long 2-pointers. But it wasn't just quality, it was quan y -- Nowitzki had more than twice as many attempts from that distance as any of the other six on the list.
Nowitzki was above average for his position in every offensive element save one, and way above average in most. He created a ton of shots, ranking second at his position in usage rate, but the real secret to his success is that he creates those shots so efficiently. Despite being the Mavs' go-to guy, Dirk shot over 50 percent from the field. He had a high rate of free throws and shot a scorching 90.4 percent from the line, and while he doesn't take as many 3-pointers these days he knocked down a career-best 41.6 percent.
And he did it while taking care of the ball. Nowitzki had the fifth-best turnover ratio at his position, and still found teammates enough that he ranked 20th in assist ratio.
Which brings us to why Nowitzki's greatness is so underappreciated. His greatest strength is not his sweet shot, it's the absence of negative plays. Nowitzki is able to generate his points while hardly ever turning the ball over and misfiring less often than his peers; in other words, he's able to do it with a cost of relatively few empty trips. While that isn't always flashy -- several players averaged more than his 24.6 points per game -- it's an incredibly effective way to win basketball games.
That Nowitzki is among the best shooters to ever play the game is hardly news. He's a rare combination of size and skill -- a 7-footer who is comfortable playing the perimeter and has the dexterity to get his shot away against smaller defenders. The strategy against Nowitzki is to make him go right, because he's so deadly pulling up when going to his left, but this can be tough to do because the Mavs post him up right in the middle of the floor.
He's at his best when he takes a single quick dribble to his left and then rises up for a 15-footer. He's also added an unblockable fadeaway off one leg going the same direction. Going to his right he mostly tries to get all the way to the rim, though his finishing skills aren't up to the level of his perimeter game.
The overlooked aspect of Nowitzki's offensive arsenal is his ability to hit the brakes. Most big guys have a hard time slowing down once they get going, but Nowitzki can stop on a dime and pull up with perfect form on his jumper. Often you'll see the defender continuing by him as he pulls up to shoot.
The book on Nowitzki's defense is in serious need of a rewrite. While he's not a physical force, his dexterity and length have enabled him to become a quality player at that end, especially in zones. He's also added a strip move that's very effective against post players, and he's an underrated defensive rebounder who has comfortably beaten the league average for power forwards the past three seasons.
ElNono you make too much of "posting up". The idea of a postup player, in my estimation, is that it provides efficient scoring opportunities (Duncan, Shaq in their primes generally shot a % greater than 50), lots of trips to the FT line (and got to the line 8-9 times a game), and their presence causes a vacuuming of the defense creating kickout opportunities. Not to mention the defense and rebounding from that standpoint, Sheed's post game is totally worthless. He only shoots 43%, doesn't get to the line offense, doesn't force double teams, and shoots like 4-5 3's a game. Yet you would consider Sheed better than Dirk because he has a "post game"? No dude, no. Oh, and Sheed is a below average rebounder.
You could say how Sheed has a ring and Dirk doesn't, but Sheed was the #3 option on that Pistons team... if Dirk is ever the #3 option on a team they'd win 65+ games and a le.
He can guard plenty of guys. Do you know of anyone that regularly goes off on Dirk because of his defense? He makes Gasol his on both ends of the court as one example. He's great as a help defender, as well.
He can post up plenty of guys. But the same guys he posts up, can they defend him when he takes them out of the paint? Not a chance and that's what makes him unique.
He's a good leader. You're not in the lockeroom and you don't hear how he handles his fellow teammates.
I'll concede to Popovich, Pat Riley and others when it comes to preparing matchups for Dirk. They've admitted that he's tough to plan for.
Your bias and blind disdain for all things Nowitzki is disgusting. I guarantee that you'd be all on his balls if he played for your beloved Spurs. You need to learn to appreciate that there are other players out there that are among the best in the NBA. Dirk is one of them. As others have mentioned before, your ass is still sore from 2006 for some reason.
There needs to be no more time spent trying to convince your dumb ass that Dirk is a top 10 player in the league. There are guys that follow the NBA for a living that easily admit as much. I'd rather listen to their opinions than some dumb with a ing pickle as his avatar.
I was reading some statistic a while ago, Nowitzki ranked 10th out of the 57 power forward's in the league as far as defense. So although he is not an elite defender, he is nowhere near a liability on the court. Keep in mind the Mavs have had a good (although not great) defense for the past 4 years.
Dirk is light years ahead of guys like Amare when it comes to defense. He's always lumped in with Amare and others in this regard, and it's not accurate. Not saying Dirk is a white Bill Russell, but he's doesn't give up on defense what he gets you on offense...not all of it, anyways.
That was written in '07, after the Mavs got kicked out by the Warriors.
Here's the introduction to that scouting report:
"Let's not let a bad playoff series start any revisionist history about the other 82 games. Nowitzki's regular season was wonderful and he deserved the MVP, flat out. Not only did he rank second in the league in PER and lead the Mavs to a 67-win season -- thanks in part to several clutch buckets of his own making -- but Nowitzki's defense, long a sore point, improved to the point that he was actually pretty good."
It would be interesting to see what he thinks now, after two consecutive disappointing post seasons.
I will also argue that there's no such thing as posting a player in the middle of the floor. If he means that he gets the ball at the top of the key, sure. But that's not posting up. When was the last time you saw Dirk backing up anybody in the post, and NOT finishing with a turnaround jumper? Never.
Also, when he describes his best plays, they're all basically jumpers. Except when he drives, where Hollinger correctly assesses he's not that great of a finisher.
And defensively, he's specially good defending the zone? I mean, the opposite of man to man, which is what teams use 90% of the time? He's got a 'strip move'? That's not defense.
I will give you he's a good rebounder, although somewhat expected for a guy 7ft tall.
And I don't have hostility towards him. At least I don't think I do. I think he's a very talented player, that's just not playing that well right now. I think too much is expected from a guy that can't deliver some of those things. Like leadership. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't see why some of the Mavs fans get so uptight about that.
according to you, he can shoot, and do nothing more. well so can jason kapono. are you going to call him a "very talented player"?
please just shut the up already
Sheed's as a focal point of the Pistons offense changed when Larry Brown left. When flippity came around, he changed the entire offense around. If Sheed were to attempt a 3 pointer with LB as the coach, he'll be riding the bench for the rest of the season. Then again, Flip Saunders came and left the Pistons ringless, with a team that made the NBA Finals twice with LB as the coach. Ask any Pistons fans here, we have plenty of them.
And I consider Sheed better than Dirk not just because of him having a post game, but also because he's 20x the better defender. IE: Sheed will guard Duncan one on one, where Dirk will simply not guard Duncan at all unless there's no other option.
Kapono is indeed very talented, and has one more championship ring than Dirk.
I wont. Feel free to put me in ignore if you want.
Is Kapono better than Dirk?
True. Although, to Amare's credit, he has improved a lot on his shot blocking in the last season.
You goddamned well know it, considering he never got off the bench for Miami in that series.
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