most overrated FO in the NBA?..

[Russ]

Orlando circa 2000.

[HarlemHeat37]

What about it? They aren't going to do that every draft. The roster's been fairly full the last couple of years. And they did win yet another le during that timeframe.

of course they aren't gonna do that in every draft..those are some of the best draft picks in NBA history..that's not my expectations..

my expectations is to get some good role players to surround our big 3..we need YOUNG players..we need ATHLETIC players..you can't win with an old team forever, especially with so many up and coming teams in the West..

LA is young..NO is young..Utah is young..Portland is young..

Well, since 2004, they've had potentially more flexibility on their roster because they've had one All-Star. We've had three. All-Stars take up years and capspace.

If you want to give up Manu and/or Tony in order to have room to maneuver, I respect your position but do not agree with it.

I don't wanna trade Manu or TP, that's stupid..the fact that we have a big 3 should make it easier to sign the correct players for the system..

How about 3 les in the last 6 years while skirting the luxury tax threshold for a good portion of that time?

based on past moves..Tim Duncan is a top 10 player of all-time..Manu and Parker are some of the best at their positions..those les were won due to past additions..

you guys are also ignoring that lack of depth has been an issue, because of injuries..Manu's injury would have been much less severe to our chances this year if we had ANYBODY that can slash to the net or give us athleticism, instead of relying on all of our wing men to launch 3's all the time..

next year, the big 3 is gonna have to give even more effort during the regular season..injuries aren't going to be surprising, and neither will fatigue in the playoffs..the team needs young players..

[Tully365]

Here's the most important factor in all of this: none of us know what has already gone on behind the scenes. For all we know, the Spurs' FO contacted the agents of Smith, Azubuike, or Pietrus, and were told "thanks, but no thanks..." Maybe they want to live near the ocean or in a bigger city with more nightlife, who knows. There's a lot of guessing that goes on in my mind as an interested fan, but I'd be silly to proclaim failure on an FO that has more les in the last decade than all 29 of other teams. We all know more than the casual fan, but still much less than the actual FO.

[Marcus Bryant]

of course they aren't gonna do that in every draft..those are some of the best draft picks in NBA history..that's not my expectations..

my expectations is to get some good role players to surround our big 3..we need YOUNG players..we need ATHLETIC players..you can't win with an old team forever, especially with so many up and coming teams in the West..

LA is young..NO is young..Utah is young..Portland is young..

And none of those have won a le since 2002. Championship teams tend to be older teams. And it's not like the Spurs' big 3 is ancient.

I don't wanna trade Manu or TP, that's stupid..the fact that we have a big 3 should make it easier to sign the correct players for the system..

Moving one of those is the only way the Spurs are going to be able to deal for an impact player. The best way to land a star is to come up with your own through the draft. Mahinmi is next up.

based on past moves..Tim Duncan is a top 10 player of all-time..Manu and Parker are some of the best at their positions..those les were won due to past additions..

you guys are also ignoring that lack of depth has been an issue, because of injuries..Manu's injury would have been much less severe to our chances this year if we had ANYBODY that can slash to the net or give us athleticism, instead of relying on all of our wing men to launch 3's all the time..

next year, the big 3 is gonna have to give even more effort during the regular season..injuries aren't going to be surprising, and neither will fatigue in the playoffs..the team needs young players..

Who are all these starting quality players who the Spurs could have landed with cap exceptions while facing the luxury tax constantly while being based in a small media market?

[HarlemHeat37]

it's not failure, bro..

it's the fact that RC has been voted the #1 GM by many places..Time, Slam, Ballhype, RealGM, NY Times..you make a thread on any NBA message board and you'll hear his name more than anybody..

I'd never say the Spurs FO isn't good, it obviously is..but definitely not as good as the hype..

I'm not hating at all, this is my favorite team..so it annoys me when people take a defensive stance in a disrespectful way..I'm not a fan of another team making outrageous remarks..I think it's a fair point..

I'm simply a die-hard fan who is tired of wasting picks on players that don't even come play for the team..wasting money, wasting picks..I've definitely been spoiled by the earlier success of our FO, and I admit it..such a great organization should be able to spend cap room wisely..

[JamStone]

Joe Dumars....yeah he's good but passing on talents like Melo, Bosh, Wade, Kaman, Hinrich and D. West for Darko is unforgivable....now there's talk he wants Tracy McHurty and wants to get rid of Prince and Billups....yikes! I guess we can pencil the 76ers into that no.2 spot now....

Agree that was a monumental mistake. Disagree that alone makes him overrated, especially since he recognized the mistake, traded Darko away and turned it into cap space and Rodney Stuckey, and since he's been able to build teams as successful as they've been without one single legitimate max player superstar, not even one close to being a max player or considered to be a superstar.

[rascal]

The spurs front office sucks. If it wasn't for the lucky lottery balls that got them duncan and Robinson there would be no les. I'm more impressed by what the Boston front office did this last season acquiring star talent through trades and putting a team together that wins the championship.

Duncan has masked much of the inadequacies of this front office. No significant free agent signings and no impact players acquired thru trades. Two great draft picks in 10 years and little else from the draft. Many good impact players have been traded or left to other teams and the spurs always sit on their asses and settle for safe role players.

[rascal]

And none of those have won a le since 2002. Championship teams tend to be older teams. And it's not like the Spurs' big 3 is ancient.




Moving one of those is the only way the Spurs are going to be able to deal for an impact player. The best way to land a star is to come up with your own through the draft. Mahinmi is next up.



Who are all these starting quality players who the Spurs could have landed with cap exceptions while facing the luxury tax constantly while being based in a small media market?

You clear cap space with trades. Rasheed Wallace

I'm tired of the excuse that the spurs can never get an impact player while teams like the Lakers and Celtics and Pistons can load up all star players.

[lrrr]

Boston and LA have been in the lottery in recent times, hence the availability of young talent with which to work trades. When was the last time the Spurs had a lottery pick?

[Marcus Bryant]

The spurs front office sucks. If it wasn't for the lucky lottery balls that got them duncan and Robinson there would be no les. I'm more impressed by what the Boston front office did this last season acquiring star talent through trades and putting a team together that wins the championship.

Duncan has masked much of the inadequacies of this front office. No significant free agent signings and no impact players acquired thru trades. Two great draft picks in 10 years and little else from the draft. Many good impact players have been traded or left to other teams and the spurs always sit on their asses and settle for safe role players.

Because Parker and Ginobili do not exist and because the Spurs should have asked Maggette pretty please to sign with them. Excuses for fans like you make me sick.

[vy65]

ESPN: Chalmers, CDR playing well with chip on shoulder

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...do-Day3-080709

[tlongII]

Hill > Chalmers ?

[Russ]

Hill > Chalmers ?

Spurs may have been a little too clever for their own good on that one.

[SpursChampsIII]

my expectations is to get some good role players to surround our big 3..we need YOUNG players..we need ATHLETIC players..you can't win with an old team forever, especially with so many up and coming teams in the West..

LA is young..NO is young..Utah is young..Portland is young..
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You're all over the place on this thread. I think drafting Hill, Hairston, Gist, and signing Mason IS AN INDICATION THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO GET YOUNGER AND MORE ATHLETIC. They tried to get Splitter...he took more money elsewhere. They tried to get Maggette...he took more money elsewhere. I don't think Azubuike or Pietrus is worth the MLE, nor do I think they are THAT much better than Mason. You make it sound like signing Azubuike would solve ALL the Spurs problems. I guess the Spurs will have to stand in line to get him since there are so many teams after his services.

[oligarchy]

Roger Mason is a good player, but what a waste of money when you can get Azubuike or JR Smith(a long shot, probably wouldn't happen..but worth a try)..

First, how do you know that they didn't target either of them and they balked at the Spurs? You don't know. Secondly, and more importantly, they are Restricted. That means, if the Spurs make an offer, their teams have ONE WEEK to match. So, during that week, all the other FAs they were targeting now sign with another team. At then end of that week the team matches. What are the Spurs left with? Exactly. There's a reason teams without cap space don't chase RFAs.

If you can do a better job, by all means get in contact with them. What other teams in the past decade have done a better job?

[Mr. Body]

Spurs could have had CDR PLUS Chalmers with a little finesse and hard work. They outsmarted themselves yet again by reaching for a 2nd round player.

[oligarchy]

Spurs could have had CDR PLUS Chalmers with a little finesse and hard work. They outsmarted themselves yet again by reaching for a 2nd round player.

You're assuming they are both going to be better players. Spurs aren't the only team to pass them over.

[Mr. Body]

You're assuming they are both going to be better players. Spurs aren't the only team to pass them over.

I'm not talking about other teams, am I? The Spurs reached for a player to be had later in the 2nd round and didn't take advantage of their position, with Greene and Arthur still there, to get more out of their pick.

[oligarchy]

I'm not talking about other teams, am I? The Spurs reached for a player to be had later in the 2nd round and didn't take advantage of their position, with Greene and Arthur still there, to get more out of their pick.

No you aren't talking about other teams, but other teams both ahead and behind us, whom had the same needs, passed over the same people. You are also assuming they are going to be better players. You are also assuming that Hill would fall to the 2nd round.

[Mr. Body]

No you aren't talking about other teams, but other teams both ahead and behind us, whom had the same needs, passed over the same people. You are also assuming they are going to be better players. You are also assuming that Hill would fall to the 2nd round.

Of course Hill was going to drop into the 2nd round. And no, I'm not talking about other teams. Sure, if CDR and Chalmer keep up their good play (gee, who'da thunk they'd be good?), other teams other than the Spurs would also regret it, but the Spurs had at least the opportunity to pull CDR and Hill out of the draft if they had any skill whatsoever in squeezing value out of assets. Look at what Houston did with their pick: got Greene + Dorsey.

[AFBlue]

In a section of the latest ESPN magazine, they were putting odds on the likely success of recent NBA Draft picks. The "even" was "whoever the Spurs pick". That's pretty high praise for a team that hasn't turned out a decent draft pick since early in this decade.

I don't know if they're the most overrated, but you'd have to put them in the Overrated category for sure. They have made a few nice acquisitions and manage to get decent production out of their role players....but outside of having Duncan fall into their laps and having two international players (of the 20 they've selected) pan out, I'm not sure you could say they've been that great.

[Mr. Body]

In a section of the latest ESPN magazine, they were putting odds on the likely success of recent NBA Draft picks. The "even" was "whoever the Spurs pick". That's pretty high praise for a team that hasn't turned out a decent draft pick since early in this decade.

It's less than even money to me at this point that George Hill has what it takes even as a spot bench player. Let Buford's recent displays be your guide.

It takes a lot of errors and wastage for an overinflated reputation to correct itself. Sadly, RC Buford will be thriving off his reputation for years to come, even while San Antonio stagnates and Oklahoma City under Presti takes their place.

[manufor3]

Azubuike was actually their 4th priority according to Warrior fans..

According to warriors FANS hmmmm

[AFBlue]

It's less than even money to me at this point that George Hill has what it takes even as a spot bench player. Let Buford's recent displays be your guide.

It takes a lot of errors and wastage for an overinflated reputation to correct itself. Sadly, RC Buford will be thriving off his reputation for years to come, even while San Antonio stagnates and Oklahoma City under Presti takes their place.

Of course it's less than even, that was my point. They were going off San Antonio's supposed reputation to pull out quality draft picks late in rounds, which is basically an illusion at this point.

[johngateswhiteley]

how about some perspective...